Laws banning trans people from using gender appropriate facilities. How do they make sense?

Whether or not you have an "innie" or an "outie" is irrelevant as far as UK law is concerned.

There are processes required to enable you to successfully apply for and receive a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC). Once you have this you are, in the eyes of the law, legally more female/male than someone who was born female/male bodied.

An important factor is that you do not have to have surgery in order to get a GRC.

Many Trans men do not have lower surgery so they may well not have an "outie".

Sure laws in other countries differ for legal recognition, but the simple truth is that if I were visiting one of these areas which wants to ban Trans people from using the appropriate facilities for the gender to which they present, a judge would find him/herself in a legal minefield with huge costs & damages being paid to the Trans person.

Another important factor in the UK is that you are automatically protected under the Equality Act (2010) whether or not you have started any medical treatment. So long as you identify as a Transsexual not a Transvestite, Crossdresser, Drag King or Drag King, then you are protected.

It is time that the USA clamped down on discrimination against everyone. It claims to be the land of the free when it isn t. It is the land of the downtrodden and spied upon.

An important part of transitioning for all medical facilities in both the UK and USA is that you must live and present in the gender to which you identify for a period of 1 or 2 years before you can have surgery. This is hard enough. This means that the person should use the correct public facilities to which they identify when out and about. Forcing them to use the wrong facilities is humiliating.

Humiliating a human being is not very big of anyone. In fact I ll go as far as to say it makes you look a fool.

The rapist argument is an extreme variation of what I would say about the matter; however, if I was proposing it, then I would say that you are a little too presumptuous about how easily people break the law. The reason you would be particularly vulnerable is that your presence in that situation creates an opportunity. You're in that private place, and suddenly a guy who's bad enough to do something wrong comes in- that's how it happens. Crime of opportunity.

An example?

Imagine a bag of cash in an armored truck. The truck stops nearby. You are a person without scruples, so do you break in and get the money? No. There are still guards, and it's not like you want to devise a master plan to do this right now. Way too much work. Way too much risk.

But what if the bag of cash falls out of the truck, and, of course, you are unscrupulous? Then you take it. Crime of opportunity.

But anyway, that's a massive pre-emptive digression.

All I think is that, as uncomfortable as you are in a bathroom full of whichever same-sex gender you're attracted to, everybody else is going to be uncomfortable if you switch bathrooms. People don't understand, don't know how to understand, and will see it as an opportunity, ESPECIALLY among youth who are much less trustworthy not only in whether they are telling the truth about their "sexuality" but also in regards to whether they have accurately diagnosed an unusual, minority sexuality for themselves (because this is primarily a debate topic regarding schools).

So the matter, which makes you feel comfortable, is really a provision that you want at the cost of the comfort and, potentially, safety of quite a lot of people, even if incidents do not reach the point of rape. It's kinda mind boggling that you can put your own comfort ahead of everybody else's and then act like nobody else has any valid argument because all they want is to not feel awkward about having a person of a different sex in a private area.

I think if you are going to allow trans people to use whichever bathroom they choose then you might as well just eliminate sex based restrooms altogether.

In terms of restrooms it really is about the genitals and how ones pees. Its sex not gender.

I sympathize with what transpeople go through but the restroom fight is going to be an uphill battle. Might be easier to just save the public restrooms for absolute emergencies and if they must then just use the stall in whichever restroom they can most easily pass.

I could care less who wants to use the same bathroom as me. I'm not so entitled of a person to think a public restroom is my place to decide who gets to use the next stall. That's an insanely entitled way for people to think. I'm not remotely worried that a trans-woman will try to rape me.

My eyes just want to roll out of my head whenever I read someone post such a statement, it's terrible and pretty ignorant to the struggles of trans people who just want to go about their business, using the appropriate bathrooms is hard enough. Some people will oppose trans people so much they'll make any excuse.

Why would we change the law for people with mental problems?

DSM-V Gender Dysphoria for displaying “a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender.”

It makes tons of sense for us non "Politically Correct" lions stuck in a simpering herd of sheeplets.

Here's how this works:

If you have an innie, you use the women's bathroom.

If you have an outie, you use the men's bathroom.

It does not matter in the slightest what mental and emotional problems you have that make you think you are the opposite of what you actually are.

Transgender/transsexual is a mental defect, not a civil right.

Gross, and don't use public restrooms at all. You shouldn't be allowed to either.

I swear people are so fvcking stupid if you have a penis you go to the guys bathroom if you have a vagina you go to the womens bathroom.