If the trinity is true why does Jesus say that only the father knows when the end will come?

This ties together with the analogy of Jesus coming to be a wedding. In the First Century a wedding was a big deal and the whole town would be involved. As the time drew near many people knew it was coming and certainly the bride groom knew, but the authority to officially declare the day was reserved to the father. Jesus statement was not one of cognitive knowledge, but rather the statement was an acknowledgment of God the Fathers role or authority to be the only one who can officially declare when the wedding was to take place. What we call functional subordination. The trinity asserts ontological equality, but functional subordination so this really is not a valid argument against the trinity, but in fact validates the Biblical Trinity.

The answer to your question is, "Because the Trinity doctrine is not true."

Jesus called his Father his God, both in heaven and on earth. His Father said that he is one, and the Son repeated that declaration about his Father and God.

John 20:17; Revelation 3:12; Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29.

The fact of the matter Yes the trinity is true, as it is written in the bible I and the father are one, NO man comes to the father but through the son Jesus Christ, he did all the work before the foundation of the world, that is why he is called the lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all one, yes, the Holy Trinity. Jesus makes clear in The Bible I and the Father are one. They are the same entity, as Jesus said I will come like a thief in the night upon his arrival back in earth to get His children.

It's also stated in Scripture that Jesus will reveal the Father to whom He desires. You can't pick and choose verses from Scripture without understanding Scripture, you need to look upon it as a whole. The man that asked Jesus when the time would come Jesus decided He wasn't going to reveal that information to the man so He stated the only one Whom knows is the Father but Jesus also states to know Him is to know the Father to have seen Him is to have seen the Father. Jesus is both fully God and fully Man He would know when that time would come but He decided not to reveal that to the man so He was creative how He answered the man. And of course Scripture also let's you know why Jesus wouldn't reveal this information to the man being that He instructed His disciples to always be prepared for when that time would come.

The only thing you show us is your limited understanding of Scripture.

Jesus was a great teacher, because he is God. He sometimes spoke as the "son of man" and sometimes as God.

For example.. in this verse, he is teaching us that, we humans do not know when the end is - in this manner he was speaking as the 'son of man'

One could also say that he was being a bit sly, perhaps checking if the man (or his Apostles who heard this) were paying attention. Because Christ ALSO said that if we've seen him.. we've seen the Father. So by logical deduction, Jesus IS God. Thus, without lying, he answered the man... while at the same time - slipping 1 past him.

Christ was careful who/when he revealed this to because he was on a mission (of sorts) and didn't want to trigger the prophesies and his crucifixion too early.

It reminds me of a situation at work where a Manager said that HE wasn't stopping us from doing something, it was based on our "job responsibilities" not our abilities/skills. I turned around and said.. "Ahh..but WHO defines our job roles/responsibilities? - knowing full well that HE did.

So he wasn't lying, but at the same time - trying to avoid the implications of his own statement.

As C.S. Lewis famously said... Jesus is either God or a Liar -- his own statements leave us no room. We can't say he was some sort of 'great teacher' - because great teachers or prophets don't run around saying the types of things that Jesus did. Claiming he was the great I AM of the God of the Israelites, that he'd rise from the dead, that we had seen the Father, etc. - He was either a maniac OR who exactly he said he was.

" ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."

- C.S. Lewis "Mere Christianity""

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The TRINITY isn't something that is literally and obviously spelled out in black n white in the Bible.

Bible Literalists want everything to be in plain text so it takes as little faith as possible.

Instead the Trinity is a logical conclusion that was taught BY the Apostles to the early Christians and which they developed further over time, as they read scripture.

- Christ claims to be the "I AM" - a title claimed by YHWH - the God of the Jews. He is almost stoned for this.

- In John's Apocalypse (Revelations) Christ claims to be the "1st and the Last" - again, a title only God has.

- Christ says, literally, if we have seen him.. we have seen the Father. - a claim of divinity

- Christ demonstrates power of life n death - something only God has. And he does this NOT by calling on God..but by his OWN authority. The Apostles could only do things by calling on God, not on their own.

- Christ is resurrected after death. IF he was a liar or a deceiver - then God wouldn't have raised him from the dead. His final miracle, proves that ALL his claims are true.

Jesus said he was God's son, Almighty God said that Jesus was his son.

Jesus plainly stated that he was more than a good man. He said: “I am God’s Son.” (John 10:36) Of course, anyone could claim to be the Son of God. But if Jesus’ claim were false, what would that make him? Really, not a good man, but a great fraud!

The most reliable testimony came from God himself. He twice said concerning Jesus: “This is my Son.” (Matthew 3:17; 17:5) Just think: The Scriptures report only a few occasions when God’s own voice was heard on earth yet on two of them he affirmed Jesus as his Son!

This is by far the best proof that Jesus was who he said he was. Jesus never claimed to be God, but he repeatedly spoke of himself as “God’s Son.” Even his enemies acknowledged this.

Jesus never even suggested that he was God or was equal to him. So to teach such a thing dishonors Jesus.

When Jesus was a man on earth, did he know all that the future held? No, for he humbly acknowledged: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36)

When the writers of the New Testament speak of God they mean the God and Father of Jesus Christ. When they speak of Jesus Christ, they do not speak of him, nor do they think of him as God.

He is God’s Christ, God’s Son.

Webster's New World Dictionary gives one meaning for god as a person or thing deified, and Jesus, the son, is a god. However, the Father is Almighty God (Jehovah). They are separate beings who work in harmony with each other. Therefore, they are as one just like a husband and wife.

“The Word” was with Jehovah God “in the beginning,” when “the heavens and the earth” were created. He was the one to whom God said: “Let us make man in our image.” (John 1:1; Genesis 1:1, 26) Jehovah’s firstborn Son was there at his Father’s side, actively working with him. At Proverbs 8:22-31, he is represented as saying: “I came to be beside [the Creator] as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time.”

So when Jesus Christ spoke the words at Matthew 24:36, the Father (Jehovah God) had not, as of yet, revealed that information to his son, Jesus, "The Word".

i dont believe the trinity is true doctrine. i began questioning the trinity before i even became a mormon and more especially afterwards.

john 8:42 sayd Jesus did not send himself.

but john 17:15-22 says that he prayed for his disicples to be one with him. compared to john 10:30 the oneness of God is no longer defined as 3 in 1 but 14 in 1, or a hundred in 1. or as many as there are other sons of God in other worlds becoming saviors for other inhabited planets that Jesus did not create himself.

The meaning of know in this context is similar to Genesis 22:12

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He said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."

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It means to make known or to reveal. Obviously Jesus, being God is omniscient and knows the end, but he submits the authority of revealing that time to the Father.

From http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/mos...

In Lk 2:42 we read that He advanced in wisdom and age. So was He deficient in wisdom before? No, the Fathers of the Church, after St. Athanasius, point out there is a difference between actual growth in wisdom, and growth in manifestation of it, how much He showed. He measured it out in accord with each point of age.