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Question for JWs?

Every time the word "Trinity" is mentioned on R&S, I want to ask this question, but I forget.

I'm just curious what you believe. I think I know you don't believe in the concept of the Trinity. I think I know you don't believe Jesus and the Father are the the same being. But can you clarify how this "works"? How this fits into the Christian narrative? I guess I'm basically asking who you believe Jesus was and why he was crucified. If he was a god but not God Almighty, then aren't you polytheistic?

I hope this is clear. I really don't know anything so any information is helpful. Just please don't preach.

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  • 5 years ago
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    God does not have a literal wife with whom he fathered children. But he is the Creator of all life. (Revelation 4:11) Therefore, the first human that God created, Adam, is called a “son of God.” (Luke 3:38) Similarly, the Bible teaches that Jesus was created by God. So Jesus is also called a “Son of God.”—John 1:49.

    God created Jesus before he created Adam. Regarding Jesus, the apostle Paul wrote: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15) Jesus’ life began long before he was born in a stable in Bethlehem. In fact, the Bible says that his “origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.” (Micah 5:2) As God’s firstborn Son, Jesus was a spirit creature in heaven before he was born as a human on earth. Jesus himself said: “I have come down from heaven.”—John 6:38; 8:23.

    According to the Bible, death “entered” the world of mankind through Adam. Thus, Adam passed on to all his descendants sin and its penalty, death. We need a ransom to release us from the penalty of death that we inherited from Adam.—Read Romans 5:12; 6:23. Jesus died (was crucified) to pay the ransom for us. At Matthew 20:28 Jesus says, "Just as the Son of man [Jesus] came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many."

  • Rick G
    Lv 7
    5 years ago

    Just start by looking at the terms Jesus used, and then that of Jehovah God.

    What did Jesus most often use to speak of God? Father.

    The number of times that God spoke that others heard, what did he call Jesus? Son

    It is much more understandable that a Father exists before his Son, and HE is responsible for the Son coming into existence.

    When God created the earth, there were many Sons watching the event.

    Job 38

     4 Where were you when I founded the earth?

    Tell me, if you think you understand.

     5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,

    Or who stretched a measuring line across it?

     6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,

    Or who laid its cornerstone,

     7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,

    And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

    So, along with His first Son, the other heavenly sons observed the creative events that resulted in the earth. This was billions of years ago.

    Now, when a Father has a Son, he provides for him. This would include teaching him.

    (John 8:28) 28 Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things.

    He would also provide useful work for the Son to value his existence. This is shown by what Proverbs show how Jesus worked with his Father.

    (Proverbs 8:30, 31) 30 Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; 31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men.

    And a good Father provides for the growth of the Son, both in skills and other qualities for him to have greater authority. This would be related to the works that Jesus was involved in.

    (Colossians 1:15, 16) 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.

    Notice that as a Good Father, he created all things "for him".

    The "Christian narrative" is one of a Father, who's greatest quality is Love, creating life so that those living could find enjoyment. This would include his firstborn Son, and all that would follow. Millions of angels are described in the Bible gathering to praise God. All this was in the spirit realm. God extended the opportunity to enjoy life into the physical realm, creating the Universe where organic beings would come into existence and love and live under his care and guidance.

    Unfortunately, one of his angelic sons got greedy and desired honor and glory that only belonged to God. That is what messed up the earth, and interrupted the purpose that Jehovah God had for the earth. Notice, it is just an interruption, because God's purpose hasn't changed and that will be fulfilled for the earth.

  • 5 years ago

    We believe that there is only one God almighty, the creator of the universe and everything in it and his name is Jehovah-we believe Jesus is the "firstborn of all creation" and his Son, and Jesus created everything else with power given to him by Jehovah-we believe that the holy spirit is Jehovah's active force, the energy that works through him

    Just because the Bible calls Jesus "a god" doesn't mean that we are polytheist, because there is only one God Almighty Jehovah-the word "god" is just a word, which is used in the Bible to describe angels, mighty men, and false gods like dagon-People have a hard time with that word, because they don't realize that it is just a word with many meanings

    But the God who is all powerful, the creator, the only one deserving of our worship, is Jehovah, and we do not put Jesus in the same category with him, therefore we are not polytheist

    To sum it up: The word God has different shades of meanings, so don't give it too much importance

  • BJ
    Lv 7
    5 years ago

    In practice popular preaching and teaching presents a supranaturalistic view of Christ which cannot be substantiated from the New Testament.

    It says simply that Jesus was God, in such a way that the terms ‘Christ’ and ‘God’ are interchangeable.

    But nowhere in Biblical usage is this so. The New Testament says that Jesus was the Word of God, it says that God was in Christ, it says that Jesus is the Son of God; but it does not say that Jesus was God, simply like that.”

    Jesus said he was God's son, Almighty God said that Jesus was his son.

    Jesus plainly stated that he was more than a good man. He said: “I am God’s Son.” (John 10:36) Of course, anyone could claim to be the Son of God. But if Jesus’ claim were false, what would that make him? Really, not a good man, but a great fraud!

    The most reliable testimony came from God himself. He twice said concerning Jesus: “This is my Son.” (Matthew 3:17; 17:5) Just think: The Scriptures report only a few occasions when God’s own voice was heard on earth yet on two of them he affirmed Jesus as his Son!

    This is by far the best proof that Jesus was who he said he was. Jesus never claimed to be God, but he repeatedly spoke of himself as “God’s Son.” Even his enemies acknowledged this.

    Jesus never even suggested that he was God or was equal to him. So to teach such a thing dishonors Jesus.

    When Jesus was a man on earth, did he know all that the future held? No, for he humbly acknowledged: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36)

    When the writers of the New Testament speak of God they mean the God and Father of Jesus Christ. When they speak of Jesus Christ, they do not speak of him, nor do they think of him as God.

    He is God’s Christ, God’s Son.

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  • 5 years ago

    This doesn't qualify as polytheism, because we believe that Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God, in the same way that Isaac was the only-begotten son of Abraham by Sarah, rather than twisting the meaning of "only-begotten", in such a way that would require Abraham and Isaac to both be the same, as the Father and Son are claimed to be the same within a Trinity.

    In Hebrews 11, both Abraham and Isaac are praised for their faith. However, the only-begotten son is not the one credited there for the sacrifice that Abraham would have carried through with, if he hadn't been stopped. Likewise, when the Sacrifice of God's only-begotten Son was carried through, it is not the Son, but the Father who is credited for the sacrifice.

    Jesus' very name tells us who to credit for our Salvation, because like so many other Hebrew and Aramaic names, it's theophoric, and makes a statement about God. In this case, the statements would be, "Jehovah Saves", or if you prefer, "Yahweh is Salvation".

    That Father is God. The Son is a progeny every bit as much as Isaac was, even if by creation, rather by procreation.

    All the angels are also called sons of God in Genesis 6:2, and in Job 1:6. (Compare Jude 6.) The difference is, Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God, through whom all other things - including angels - are created.

    If Jehovah's Witnesses are polytheists by this reasoning, then so are all who believe that God has angels.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    Trinitarians pay attention to John and ignore the contradictions of it in every other book in the bible.

    It's actually one of the things the JWs get right.

  • 5 years ago

    Clearly JWs believe in more than one god because they interpret John 1:1 as their Jehovah being one god, albeit Almighty God, and Jesus being another god. Two gods - one bigger than the other but two of them. It's nonsense.

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