As a hell-bound atheist, why did God create me?

As God was apparently creating me...he must've known what would become of me. I mean, he's "Omnipotent" and all...right?

So, as he is deciding "Today, I'm gonna whip up Gus the Atheist", surely he knows that my end will be eternal hellfire, right?

And he apparently loves me too. So he's creating a being that he apparently loves, that is bound by his (God's, that is) conviction to spend eternity in hell.

Why?

2010-05-25T11:22:29Z

David, Karl et al...you're missing the point.

Maybe someday I'll "wake up", maybe I won't. God, though, already knows..

He knew before I was created. The implication is that he made a conscious decision to create me (or any other atheist) as hell-bound before we were even born. He knew whether or not we would change.

So why give us life at all?

2010-05-25T11:24:44Z

OK Either God knows everything...including my future...and created me knowing that I would never "find" him, or he doesn't know everything.

If you have faith, I'd think you would take the time to sort out what it really means.

2010-05-25T11:25:57Z

Seeker, stop answering my questions if you're simply going to ignore what they ask and write down whatever blabber you feel like typing out.

Reading Comprehension is a valuable skill.

2010-05-25T11:26:46Z

This question has NOTHING TO DO with free will, people. Again, READING COMPREHENSION. Use it.

2010-05-25T11:28:33Z

no1home, you're not even trying with this one then, eh?

2010-05-25T11:32:05Z

David...oh David...I really wonder about you sometimes.

You're not answering the question, friend. What you've done is basically said to me that my sincere question is not valid, because I'm an atheist.

You're saying that in my quest to understand your god, I must give up on making sense out of some things and simply accept that "that's the way it is".

That's not how I am. That's not how your god made me. My inquisitive, mathematical mind needs to know some things. You're never going to get through to this mind unless you can clear up the murkiness in your professed belief system. So please, stop preaching to me. If you want to win me over, answer the question.

2010-05-25T11:36:27Z

Rebecca, do not presume to know anything about me at all. My questions are driven by a desire to understand your belief in a god that I cannot make sense out of. What you are doing is ignoring the question in favor of trying to be witty and insult me. I've got news for you: it didn't work. I see right through you.

If you really believe, defend your belief by answering the question. Not by copping out, or ignoring what the question says, or by painting over it with "FREE WILL!". Answer the damned question.

And Christine, I'm happier as an atheist than I ever was as a Christian. I think it's the internal honesty that I love the most. Ya see, even as a Christian...I don't think I ever believed. That hat never fit.

So same to you...do not presume to know a thing about me. Just answer the question.

2010-05-25T11:38:21Z

Oh and Christine, please think a little bit about that analogy, and why it makes no sense whatsoever to the topic and hand.

2010-05-25T11:43:35Z

8>@)(04: Oh I know I'm the cause of my hell-boundedness, should it actually be the case. However unlikely I consider it, if I'm there at God's door and he asks if I accept the responsibility for not finding him, I'll say "Given the evidence I had, I feel I made the right choice. If hell is the result, the so be it".

I'm not saying that god caused it. I'm saying that he KNEW it would happen...and that he still chose to make me anyhow. Why?

Why create something that's only fitting end in your eyes is to be burned and tortured eternally?

Anonymous2016-04-12T09:38:58Z

God is not willing that ANY should perish 2 Peter 3:9 God did use some in a negative way to show His glory but not because He didn't have plans for them later. Read Revelation about the resurrection of all who ever lived and see how the Bible talks about a first resurrection and second resurrection, a firstfruit harvest and a great harvest. God is NOT trying to save the world now! He's allowing mankind to write a history of sin and all its consequences so that no one will ever wonder throughout all eternity if there's any other way to live but God's way. His hands are off this world except for occasional interventions. II Cor. 4:4 says Satan is the god of this world because God has allowed him to 'help' man see exactly where sin leads--once for all time. Who says God knows what you or I are going to do? He told Abraham "Now I know..." when Abraham obeyed God in the most difficult of circumstances. Gen 22:12 That tells me He DIDN'T KNOW before that. Also it says Christ 'learned'--how is that possible if He was God (which He was)? Hebrews 5:8 God wants all to be saved but in time, not now! There are billions of people who have died and will die never even hearing of Him, how could He hold them responsible for their actions? And if there is such a thing as Truth, then all those different religious factions can't be right, can they? God is not less logical or caring than you are! He isn't through with this world or those that have died--not by a long shot!

fokker - it's an airplane!2010-05-25T11:52:37Z

Hard telling - all we can do is speculate.

First - I don't think hell is eternal hellfire. I think you just get left behind - cause you didn't want to be with God.

That being said....I suppose if I were a mother - and my child had many problems - many struggles - many painful obstacles through life (as we all do) that I would not take back the decision to bring the child into the world.

Even if the child was seriously injured at some point - even if the child developed a serious sickness - even if the child were to end up seriously disabled - even if the child were to eventually die a horrible death - even if the child grew to be hooked on drugs and gave up a good life - even if the child one day committed suicide....etc etc

I cannot think of one horrible circumstance that could happen to my kid - or by my kid's own decisions that would make me withdraw the decision to let my kid have a chance to live life.

Even though I think that comparing our own thought process to God's is an absurd idea - this is my speculation - he gave us all free will. Some will believe - some will not. He did not create you individually. He created humans in the beginning and everyone has made their own decisions since. Your parents created you - not God. If God removed their decision to do so, he would have to remove the decisions of all people.

Anonymous2010-05-25T11:50:36Z

In the book of Jerimiah, and in one of Paul's letters you can read about "vessels fit for wrath" and "destruction". In Paul's letter it is in the middle voice which leads some scholars to translate it, "fit themselves for destruction". Just because God or anyone else for that matter knows something about you doesnt't mean you don't have free will. If I know that you're pissed off and half way to eternal torment righit now, that doesn't mean you didn't work yourself up into a lather all by yourself. We all have choices. Think about it, this God that has fitted some for mercy and some for glory is not a god that you're interested in knowing, right? So even if you were to be brought to the gates of heaven you wouldn't want anything to do with it. All this stuff about a God that says we don't have to go through life pissed off, if we just stop it and do what he says will never make sense to the damned. The question I have is if it's all a bunch of BS, why does it bother you so much? There are a lot of people who became christians because they were in the same frame of mind you're in. So repent or get off the pot. If it's BS, you're wasting your life bothering with these questions. It it isn't BS, then you might have a choice at eternal bliss or an eternity of running around pissed off and breaking stuff. Christians talk about hell like it's a bad thing, but if you like breaking stuff and spend most of your time being restless and discontent, then you'll be in hell 50 years before you even know your dead, and then you won't even care. If 90% of so called christians really understood what the bible says they would realize that they're destined for hell as well, but their spot in hell will be much worse than yours or mine.

GC2010-05-30T23:24:18Z

>>I'm not saying that god caused it. I'm saying that he KNEW it would happen...and that he still chose to make me anyhow. Why? <<

Well you have not explained to me why you are going to hell. Just because you don't believe in Jesus, or God, that's not going to do it. If you are an alcoholic, drug abuser, womanizer, child abuser, (add your own preference) then its beginning to sound possible, maybe even probable.

But, it won't be forever. It will only be for as long as you continue those choices. Because "hell" is not about punishment, it's about choosing your companions. It cannot be otherwise. Heaven is simply having a great choice of companions, as hell is the opposite.

And yeah , there are atheists in heaven. Certainly some that do not believe in a PERSONAL god. Some are even very advanced. Its your choice.

apple20052016-01-14T10:10:18Z

God has created you to worship Him during this life so that you enjoy your hereafter. He has told you the right path. Now it is up to you to go to hell or paradise. This is your own choice. He doesn't want you to go to hell but if you want to go to hell then that's your choice and not His choice.
Just read a little bit of your own body anatomy and physiology then your will understand that there is definitely some power Who has developed this marvelous intricate systems of your body. How your brain is working, how your kidneys are working, how your liver is working and how those millions of chemical reactions happening every second in your body without any faults. And people like you are thinking that all these things just happened by chance? Wake up before it's too late and surrender yourself to the Almighty. The doors of repentance are always open.

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