Is Climate Science Being exploited for Political reasons?
Dr. Lindzen with the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons has come out with what I find to be a very interesting and inforamtive article. He likens the current political environment around Climate Science to the eugenics and Lysenkoism.
In consequence, he writes, “A profound dumbing down of the discussion…interacts with the ascendancy of incompetents.” Prizes and accolades are awarded for politically correct statements, even if they defy logic. “Unfortunately, this also often induces better scientists to join the pack in order to preserve their status,” Lindzen adds.
http://www.jpands.org/vol18no3/lindzen.pdf
So, do you beleive as Lindzen does, that Climate Scinece has been coopted for political reasons?
pegminer2013-08-29T16:29:28Z
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gcnp58 clearly gives the best--and most frightening answer. It's amazing that some nutjob Republican from Texas thinks he can do a better job evaluating scientific projects than can scientists.
By the way, did anyone else notice that Lindzen didn't even get the caption right on his own Figure 4? Perhaps if there were some form of peer review from those "physicians and surgeons" they might have noticed that. I suspect that approval for the article was rubber-stamped just as soon as they saw the author and the title.
By the way, if people are unfamiliar with the esteemed "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons" it was founded with the goal to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine." Along the way articles in the "journal" have also tried to convince us that HIV does not cause AIDS and being gay shortens your life span. Oh, and they're also associated with infamous "Oregon Petition" that is so admired by people without an ounce of integrity.
The Association is a right wing political organization that masquerades as a medical society, clearly the perfect ones to be judging whether climate science has been co-opted.
EDIT: Kano says:
"In fact without the internet and blogs none of us would even know who Lindzen, Spencer or Christy was"
And that would probably be a good thing.
EDIT for Pindar: Your answer is just a lie. If you insist on lying, you should either become more sophisticated or more incomprehensible, saying something that is obviously a lie is just dumb.
Another EDIT for Pindar and Sagebrush: Its VERY easy to prove that Pindar is lying. Here's a link to the Journal of Climate table of contents for the current issue:
http://journals.ametsoc.org/toc/clim/26/17
Pindar, if you think that climate science is entirely political and not scientific, please demonstrate that for EVERY paper in this journal. I'll be very interested in how you prove that such articles as "Impact of Rossby Wave Breaking on U.S. West Coast Winter Precipitation during ENSO Events" or "Comparing Cyclone Life Cycle Characteristics and Their Interannual Variability in Different Reanalyses" are politics and not science.
If you can't do that, your statement is a blatant lie, which makes you a liar.
After you've finished with that (ha ha!), you can go back through my questions and answers and tell us one of my "lies." You'll notice that MY questions and answers are open for inspection, while yours are kept hidden. I wonder why?
SAGEBRUSH: You don't have to pay to read the titles and abstracts, and you could always get off your rear end and go to a library to read the journal. The point is that these articles are SCIENCE and they have nothing to do with POLITICS and so Pindar is LYING. (Of course you're a proven liar too.)
If our planet gets colder, it will be bad for us, millions will suffer, however it is what I hope happens just so everyone can realize what a debacle this global warming/climate change is, how it has been co-opted by different groups for their own personal advantages, and how there has been so much propaganda/brainwashing with almost total (until now anyway) suppression of conflicting evidence/discussion, with politics and media completely denying any right of reply. In fact without the internet and blogs none of us would even know who Lindzen, Spencer or Christy was. Actually the situation must be changing, because I doubt it would have been possible to get this article published a few years ago.
Well let's see!!!! Lindzen is a diehard denier, associated with the cato Institute, which is another think tank supported by big oil. That in itself makes his opinion decidedly political on the side of big oil against the truth of AGW
He is a doctor of mathematics and not trained to be a climatologist. In other words, he is a big oil supporter and big oil and coal have been the recipients of more political advantage and subsidies and investor tax breaks than any one industry besides tobacco. Just another useless denier spreading lies on behalf of big oil. Shooting is too good for him and his followers
**** so did you alert all the deniers about this post. I spoke the truth and got 8 thumbs down.
I wouldn't be surprised, politicians make any excuse to make a new tax. It isn't even concrete evidence than CO2 increases temperature. How do they even know the temperature hundreds of thousands of years ago? They just measure the CO2 concentration within air pockets of ice cores correct? Although other factors which influence temperature (e.g. Altitude) also change over time, thus how accurate can predictions be?