An old question for theists reframed in a way that you can't evade: test your might!?

Alright first off the Bible never states a beginning to the universe only a beginning to the earth. What came before this is for us just to wonder and ask God one day in Heaven. However the Bible does state that God always was... And the biggest criticism of the Big Bang now a days is that The earth is in such a critical position for life. There is a very minuscule Chance that out of luck the earth could have landed where it did.

Ok now to the question you are truly asking. Where did God begin? If God created the concept of time then before he didso the universe had no time. So before time there was no beginning of anything. Everything was as it was. Think of it like outer space. In Space there is no way to say where it begins and where it ends? Why? because there would be nothing there, which would be more space. So God always was because eternity goes both ways.

"Isn't it more rediculous to assume that out of an explosion comes a bunch of chaotic junk rather than the Statue of Liberty, or out of a pile of metal just slag rather than a '76 Chevy?"

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you suggesting that it's actually more logical tot hink the Statue of Liberty could come from an explosion instead of chaotic junk? I think it's totally ridiculous to think an orderly universe could come from a big bang, without some kind of Creator.

You said it's impossible for anything to exist outside of time; how can you know that? What is time anyway? Just because you can't grasp the idea of existing outside of time, that doesn't prove God can't do it.

About the big bang, I'm not sure I have to believe there was a big bang to believe in God. Have scientists decided there was no big bang?

Some scientists do believe there are more dimensions than what we can experience; I don't know how they prove it, but I am inclined to believe they are right.

If there was a big bang in nothingness, in order to have any a formation , it would have to result from small particles rushing toward one point to form a mass, and the mass would still be growing; there would be evidence. This would be the result of an implosion.

An explosion on the other hand would cause all particles to move away from the location in a straight line. "Scientists" claim that our universe is expanding, and I will give them that point, but it is expanding in a spiral motion. Where did the force come from that caused the change in motion? If there was nothing, where did the massive bodies come from that might contribute a gravitational pull? It just can't happen. Caos can never change to order without something or someone greater to change the course.

If after the exploseion, the possibility of human life occuring is 1X 10 to the 40000 power. That is just for human life, if you also include the possibilities for the formation of this planet coming from a cosmic explosion, the odds are much greater. Then you also have to factor in the odds of our sun, and our atmosphere, and everything necessary for us to survive. It is an impossibility.

Now look at the odds of this universe, the earth and human life being created by a God 50-50.

Well the universe is made up of science and math really and there is a formula for every thing we know of, see, feel, touch, breathe, and even those things we do not see or feel, including dimensions which are created. Thus the 3-dimension, 2 dimension references we hear about. However, since time is also a created dimension, wouldn't it make sense that the Creator whom we know and call God of all that, lives outside of any dimension so He can create and control the dimensions that exist?

13.seventy 3 billion years. I consider the determine by using fact it truly is probable the wonderful answer technological know-how has so some distance arise with. i'm undecided why you think of being a theist or no longer makes any difference to that.

Christians do not believe that God was created, nor do we believe that he came from nothing. We believe that he was before all things, that everything was created by Him and that everything is from Him. So...... I cannot logically explain how God could come from nothing because I do not believe that there was ever a point in time where there was no God. Cannot attempt to logic my way through something I do not believe.

SIMPLE LOGIC !!

Premise 1. Outputs = Inputs + process

Premise 2. For premise 1 to come about someone has to have the resources and power to do the process. Let him be called the Great Cause.

Premise 3. For every rule there is an exception.

Premise 4. The rule on exception can not be applied to any of the components on Premise 1 because it would be non-sense.

Premise 5. The rule on exception must therefore be applied to premise 2.

Conclusion: Therefore, the Great Cause ( the one w/ resources and sufficient might) was the one who caused Premise 1. Further He was not subject to Premise 1 by reason of premise 3.

Ok, how about this?:

God spontaneously created himself. He is spirit not matter. His created matter through his will. He created all of the laws of the universe. He existed before the big bang and caused the big bang.

You are asking to hear dogma. I'm an agnostic theist. I'll freely admit to guessing. My answer makes as much sense as "God is eternal". Why couldn't someone just say "matter is eternal". (I suppose they could)

So what your saying is that your theory makes more sense because it doesn't involve God? That's all I got out of that mumbo-jumbo.

Glad you wrote this in a way that we can't evade! Sorry what is your question in all this commentary?