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Thermodynamic question?

Hi, i just have a little confusion on a homework question.

I assume we know that when most gas expand, it absorbs heat and cools down.

The problem is:

If you have a solid sealed container, initially evacuated (vacuum).

and you drill a hole on a wall, the gas diffuse inside until it reaches atmospheric pressure, what is the temperature of the gas inside?

I dont really need the exact answer, but whats the equation? can anyone help?

Assume that i have a table that list out the entropy, specifific heat, and all those values that cant be caculated by math.

Note:

Ideal Gas law PV=nRT does not work.

1st: the initial pressure is 0

2nd: all gas behaves differently, example, Refrigerant vs Still air.

3rd. If it does work, that means the temperature would increase, which does not make sense. It suppose to get colder. Think about the CO2 bottle, you spray it out, it gets colder, not hotter.

Thx to everyone who answer or tries to answer :)

Update:

Just think about the CO2 bottle that you use to clean the computer stuff.

You spray it, it gets colder, becuz it abosorbs heat. and where did the heat went? it becomes the internal energy of the gas. Same concept with the problem, and same way our air conditioning system works.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    PV=nRT is for ideal gas. Not all gases are ideal. There are other factors that you need to consider, which are the attraction between gas molecules and impact volume (or pressure -- I don't remember exactly, but it has to do with the gas molecule striking the container wall).

    My answer to your question will be the temperature is very much the same as the temperature from the outside. Since you didn't specify what kind of container is or what condition the container in, the air with the same temperature and pressure just flows inside the container by following the principle of "flow down the gradient". That means the air moving from place with more air to place with little or no air.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    3rd is wrong: "it does work" means you are taking energy OUT of the gas, not putting it in. So it has to get colder.

    1st is not important: if the initial pressure were just lower but not 0, you would still get a similar answer.

    Your idea that when gas expands, it absorbs heat and cools down is misleading and wrong. It can not absorb any heat if it is isolated, so this depends on the conditions of your experiment.

    The temperature of an ideal gas is a function of the average magnitude of the velocity of its molecules or atoms.

    Lets say you remove one (or all) wall(s) of a container with a gas in it. What are the molecules of an ideal gas going to do which would have collided with the wall(s)?

    They are going to keep going in the same direction. What will the average magnitude of the velocity of those molecules be?

    The same as if they had collided with the wall. The wall(s) do not change the magnitude of the velocity in a collision, just the direction.

    Now... what happens in a non-ideal gas? What does the total energy depend on in a non-ideal gas? Velocity and... ? How does that modify the temperature?

    OK? I have given you all the clues you need (I think). But you will have to think this one through for yourself.

    Good luck!

  • frieda
    Lv 4
    4 years ago

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