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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 1 decade ago

Fellow atheists, are you familiar with these 20 logical fallacies (helpful in dealing with the folks here.)?

1. Ad hominem An ad hominem argument is any that attempts to counter anothers claims or conclusions by attacking the person, rather than addressing the argument itself. True believers will often commit this fallacy by countering the arguments of skeptics by stating that skeptics are closed minded. Skeptics, on the other hand, may fall into the trap of dismissing the claims of UFO believers, for example, by stating that people who believe in UFO's are crazy or stupid.

2. Ad ignorantiam The argument from ignorance basically states that a specific belief is true because we don't know that it isn't true. Defenders of extrasensory perception, for example, will often overemphasize how much we do not know about the human brain. UFO proponents will often argue that an object sighted in the sky is unknown, and therefore it is an alien spacecraft.

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3. Argument from authority Stating that a claim is true because a person or group of perceived authority says it is true. Often this argument is implied by emphasizing the many years of experience, or the formal degrees held by the individual making a specific claim. It is reasonable to give more credence to the claims of those with the proper background, education, and credentials, or to be suspicious of the claims of someone making authoritative statements in an area for which they cannot demonstrate expertise. But the truth of a claim should ultimately rest on logic and evidence, not the authority of the person promoting it.

4. Argument from final Consequences Such arguments (also called teleological) are based on a reversal of cause and effect, because they argue that something is caused by the ultimate effect that it has, or purpose that is serves. For example: God must exist, because otherwise life would have no meaning.

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5. Argument from Personal Incredulity I cannot explain or understand this, therefore it cannot be true. Creationists are fond of arguing that they cannot imagine the complexity of life resulting from blind evolution, but that does not mean life did not evolve.

6. Confusing association with causation This is similar to the post-hoc fallacy in that it assumes cause and effect for two variables simply because they are correlated, although the relationship here is not strictly that of one variable following the other in time. This fallacy is often used to give a statistical correlation a causal interpretation. For example, during the 1990’s both religious attendance and illegal drug use have been on the rise. It would be a fallacy to conclude that therefore, religious attendance causes illegal drug use. It is also possible that drug use leads to an increase in religious attendance, or that both drug use and religious attendance are increased by a third variable,

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such as an increase in societal unrest. It is also possible that both variables are independent of one another, and it is mere coincidence that they are both increasing at the same time. A corollary to this is the invocation of this logical fallacy to argue that an association does not represent causation, rather it is more accurate to say that correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but it can. Also, multiple independent correlations can point reliably to a causation, and is a reasonable line of argument.

7. Confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable Because we do not currently have an adequate explanation for a phenomenon does not mean that it is forever unexplainable, or that it therefore defies the laws of nature or requires a paranormal explanation. An example of this is the "God of the Gaps�" strategy of creationists that whatever we cannot currently explain is unexplainable and was therefore an act of god.

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8. False Continuum The idea that because there is no definitive demarcation line between two extremes, that the distinction between the extremes is not real or meaningful: There is a fuzzy line between cults and religion, therefore they are really the same thing.

9. False Dichotomy Arbitrarily reducing a set of many possibilities to only two. For example, evolution is not possible, therefore we must have been created (assumes these are the only two possibilities). This fallacy can also be used to oversimplify a continuum of variation to two black and white choices. For example, science and pseudoscience are not two discrete entities, but rather the methods and claims of all those who attempt to explain reality fall along a continuum from one extreme to the other.

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10. Inconsistency Applying criteria or rules to one belief, claim, argument, or position but not to others. For example, some consumer advocates argue that we need stronger regulation of prescription drugs to ensure their safety and effectiveness, but at the same time argue that medicinal herbs should be sold with no regulation for either safety or effectiveness.

11. The Moving Goalpost A method of denial arbitrarily moving the criteria for "proof" or acceptance out of range of whatever evidence currently exists.

12. Non-Sequitur In Latin this term translates to "doesn't follow". This refers to an argument in which the conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premises. In other words, a logical connection is implied where none exists.

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13. Post-hoc ergo propter hoc This fallacy follows the basic format of: A preceded B, therefore A caused B, and therefore assumes cause and effect for two events just because they are temporally related (the latin translates to "after this, therefore because of this").

14. Reductio ad absurdum In formal logic, the reductio ad absurdum is a legitimate argument. It follows the form that if the premises are assumed to be true it necessarily leads to an absurd (false) conclusion and therefore one or more premises must be false. The term is now often used to refer to the abuse of this style of argument, by stretching the logic in order to force an absurd conclusion. For example a UFO enthusiast once argued that if I am skeptical about the existence of alien visitors, I must also be skeptical of the existence of the Great Wall of China, since I have not personally seen either. This is a false reductio ad absurdum because he is ignoring evidence other than personal eyewitness evidence,

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and also logical inference. In short, being skeptical of UFO's does not require rejecting the existence of the Great Wall.

15. Slippery Slope This logical fallacy is the argument that a position is not consistent or tenable because accepting the position means that the extreme of the position must also be accepted. But moderate positions do not necessarily lead down the slippery slope to the extreme.

16. Straw Man Arguing against a position which you create specifically to be easy to argue against, rather than the position actually held by those who oppose your point of view.

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17. Special pleading, or ad-hoc reasoning This is a subtle fallacy which is often difficult to recognize. In essence, it is the arbitrary introduction of new elements into an argument in order to fix them so that they appear valid. A good example of this is the ad-hoc dismissal of negative test results. For example, one might point out that ESP has never been demonstrated under adequate test conditions, therefore ESP is not a genuine phenomenon. Defenders of ESP have attempted to counter this argument by introducing the arbitrary premise that ESP does not work in the presence of skeptics. This fallacy is often taken to ridiculous extremes, and more and more bizarre ad hoc elements are added to explain experimental failures or logical inconsistencies.

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18. Tautology A tautology is an argument that utilizes circular reasoning, which means that the conclusion is also its own premise. The structure of such arguments is A=B therefore A=B, although the premise and conclusion might be formulated differently so it is not immediately apparent as such. For example, saying that therapeutic touch works because it manipulates the life force is a tautology because the definition of therapeutic touch is the alleged manipulation (without touching) of the life force.

19. Tu quoque Literally, you too. This is an attempt to justify wrong action because someone else also does it. "My evidence may be invalid, but so is yours."

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20. Unstated Major Premise This fallacy occurs when one makes an argument which assumes a premise which is not explicitly stated. For example, arguing that we should label food products with their cholesterol content because Americans have high cholesterol assumes that: 1) cholesterol in food causes high serum cholesterol; 2) labeling will reduce consumption of cholesterol; and 3) that having a high serum cholesterol is unhealthy. This fallacy is also sometimes called begging the question.

HOW'S THAT FOR BIBLE VERSE!

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    Yeah, I've encountered basically every one of these fallacies, plus (I'd wager) a few more you haven't listed.

  • 1 decade ago

    Yes, I am. It's a pretty good list, for the most part. I would quibble over a few points:

    Tautologies are, by definition, logically sound. They are simply not proof of anything but themselves. Using a tautology in argument is typically Circulus in Probando, but the tautology itself is not a fallacy.

    Reductio arguments, as noted, are completely valid. The example does not produce a "false reductio". It is an example of a Reductio based on a Straw Man. The counterarguer has framed the author's argument against UFO's as being based solely on the fact that he can't see them. The Reductio is still valid. The counter's representation of the author's argument is not.

    Lastly, Slippery Slopes are not ALWAYS fallacies, though they normally are. If a causal relationship between each "step" on the slope can be demonstrated, the Slippery Slope is a valid argument. This is seldom the case, but it does happen occassionally.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Well , how would a person thinking like you apparently advocate, ever come to any logical conclusion and act on anything?

    I am because I can use my senses to feel that I am. Therefore, what produced me? How did I get here? If I am uncertain and cannot make a me, what can I name what has brought me to this moment and all of my surroundings? Am I a part of that which made me and just don't remember it because that capability was not put into me? If I am a part of what is around me, can I assume that I am also a part of how I got here? If I am uncertain, can I name this Force that I may or not be a part of that would have gotten me to this point, Certainty?

    And if that Certainty provided a nature of kindness and rudeness, callings and putting down that I am placed in the entertainment window to witness, what can I do to find some security in either of those attributes so as to feel some comfort from this existence? What will I then call that Certainty, and the attributes of that certainty that I find more attractive in my life, so as to share those attributes in some meaningful way with others and gather in purpose around them?

    Just some thoughts.....

    It is a good thing when your questions beget more questions that help us to civilize amongst ourselves, isn't it?

    Healing be unto you and yours and me and mine in

    Forgive Affirmed Spirit

    Source(s): Forgive Affirmed Spirit
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    You should have mentioned "Argument from false authority" which is similar to but significant;y different from "Argument from authority"

    You also left out "Argument ad populum" or argument from the majority (80% of Americans believe in the bible. Surely that many people can't be wrong".

    Also Poisoning the Well. A variation of an ad hominem attack where the arguer claims that an argument is invalid becuase of some negative claim about the person making it.

    And the ever popular Circular Reasoning "The Bible must be true becuase it's the word of God. We know it's the word of God because the Bible says so."

    Otherwise a great list.

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  • Tell me about it, and it's not just in this section.. I had a week long e-mail argument with this person from the Dog section and all she did was repeatedly use Ad Hominem attacks. I pointed it out to her and she still did not get it.. literally the argument could not progress one step forward because every single time no matter what references and proof I provided to back up my arguments, she always resorted to Ad hominem. I'd have to say Ad hominem is probably the most common logical fallacy I encounter, on here and in every day life. It's irritating, I like debating with someone who is an actual challenger.. not just an attacker.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Yes, I am. I use them more in the Politics section but they are equally applicable here. I don't much refer to ad hom because I'd never get any rest, but I do use post hoc ergo propter hoc, straw man, tu quoque, non sequitur.

    I also use appeal to flattery and sunk costs. Sunk costs is used more in economic terms, but given how much time, energy and money people waste on religion, it's a very handy one.

    Edit: I also use reductio a lot...it's such a slippery little sucker though, 1) because I don't even know I'm doing it half the time and 2) you never really know if it has any effect in a venue like this...there's normally no way of telling unless people email. And...they generally don't especially when I ask them to. That Socrates was a clever bugger tho'.

  • 1 decade ago

    I'm a Christian and I'm familiar with these logical fallacies. I think its sad that these aren't being taught in schools these day. So many people on this board seem to think that they have defeated someone's argument by making a disparaging comment about the person (often based on unsubstantiated assumptions).

    I think it is good to avoid these logical fallacies, however it is helpful to note that if you want to bring these to bear in a debate, you should probably be prepared to explain why it applies in that situation. I've seen a lot of people just throw out the name of a logical rule and assume that they've won the argument without any explanation.

    Be civil. Be logical. Be thorough. Great topic!

  • Neat! Thanks PN!

    What category would an argument that offers an illustration, and then uses that illustration to make a point on another level. "A false parallelism"?

    Appreciated the add by Seamus, as well as the link to the major list by Espresso.

    I had questions about discounting teleological arguments, but cannot remember the source right now....

  • 1 decade ago

    Are these the 20 commandments of the "atheist bible"?

    If they are, then I must say I have seen as many atheists break the first one as people on the opposite side of the fence.

    BTW, how do you define a true believer?

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    1. Ad hominem- yes many atheists use this in response to Christians all the time.

    2. Ad ignorantiam - yes many Atheists base there entire questions on calling their beliefs right and claiming Christians are ignorant and closed minded.

    3. Argument from authority- yes they quote from "authority" on all things Richard dawkins all the time

    3. Argument from final Consequences- yes believe it or not they hold out a final end of mothing so your wasting your life believing

    4. Confusing association with causation- there are many ways atheists do this they confuse one Christian with another to discredit what all have to say. They confuse association of biblical literalism with all Christian rejection of science. The confuse scientific discovery as being incompatiable with God.

    Since alot of the Athiests on here use a majority of these on a daily basis I would say yes the Atheists here are familiar with logical fallacies (of course you forgot the false delimmas and rejection of negative proof which they fall into as well).

  • 1 decade ago

    Could you put one out there for those suffering actual psychological symptoms like Passive Aggressive Disorder? That would cover a broader spectrum of the people here.

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