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Creationists: What qualifies as an "increase in genetic information"?

Many times, I have heard Creationists claim that random mutation cannot produce an increase in genetic information. Sadly, I have never heard anyone qualify what would constitute such an increase or suggest a method by which we could measure it.

Could anyone please define these terms for me? Examples (real or hypothetical) would be nice.

Please note that I'm not trying to disparage anyone's ideas, here. Everyone is entitled to their belief. I'm simply confused about exactly what Creationists mean when they use this argument.

Thanks in advance for your answers.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Way too easy to answer:

    We will take the simplest model, that of a single substitution mutation in a homogeneous allele. A homogeneous allele is any point within a gene's sequence that does not vary at all within the population. If any of those points changes from one base to another, the information content at that point has doubled. Where it could have only had one value, it now has two potential values.

    I should point out that I am a Creationist. I also consider evolution to be the specific tool that God used in His biological projects.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    1. It is hard to understand how anyone could make this claim, since anything mutations can do, mutations can undo. Some mutations add information to a genome; some subtract it. Creationists get by with this claim only by leaving the term "information" undefined, impossibly vague, or constantly shifting. By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of

    * increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991)

    * increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003)

    * novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996)

    * novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)

    If these do not qualify as information, then nothing about information is relevant to evolution in the first place.

    2. A mechanism that is likely to be particularly common for adding information is gene duplication, in which a long stretch of DNA is copied, followed by point mutations that change one or both of the copies. Genetic sequencing has revealed several instances in which this is likely the origin of some proteins. For example:

    * Two enzymes in the histidine biosynthesis pathway that are barrel-shaped, structural and sequence evidence suggests, were formed via gene duplication and fusion of two half-barrel ancestors (Lang et al. 2000).

    * RNASE1, a gene for a pancreatic enzyme, was duplicated, and in langur monkeys one of the copies mutated into RNASE1B, which works better in the more acidic small intestine of the langur. (Zhang et al. 2002)

    * Yeast was put in a medium with very little sugar. After 450 generations, hexose transport genes had duplicated several times, and some of the duplicated versions had mutated further. (Brown et al. 1998)

    The biological literature is full of additional examples. A PubMed search (at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi) on "gene duplication" gives more than 3000 references.

    3. According to Shannon-Weaver information theory, random noise maximizes information. This is not just playing word games. The random variation that mutations add to populations is the variation on which selection acts. Mutation alone will not cause adaptive evolution, but by eliminating nonadaptive variation, natural selection communicates information about the environment to the organism so that the organism becomes better adapted to it. Natural selection is the process by which information about the environment is transferred to an organism's genome and thus to the organism (Adami et al. 2000).

    4. The process of mutation and selection is observed to increase information and complexity in simulations (Adami et al. 2000; Schneider 2000).

  • 1 decade ago

    Well to start:

    The ability to talk, think, make a descision.

    Exactly how common are mutations?

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    good question.

    they dont know

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