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What would you call this?
What would you call someone who wrote these words December 25, 1832?
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;
2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.
3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.
4 And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.
Anyone know who wrote them?
Nope it wasn't him
I don't think it is SDA or JW because the events actually happened.
Actually in 1832 Jackson reduced the Tariffs. South Carolina did declare all the tariffs unconstitutional. South Caroline convention enacted nullification acts that were repealed only a year later after the crisis was solved.
I don't see your point? There were many such events in Congressional history since 1776. And directly linking the civil war to something small happening 28 years earlier that was resolved a year later is mildly rediculuous.
The fact is that the problem was reconciled without conflict in 1833. Joseph could have retracted his prophecy like someone probably would have if they based their prophecy on a problem that was remedied. He didn't. The membership of the church had already been in Utah 13 years before the civil war broke out.
I can't believe you are seriously making this argument. You are basing it on the fact that Joseph Smith had the internet and research capabilities we have now. You say that the president said "war is immenant" well it didn't happen. In fact I think the president was dead before the NEXT generation succeded from the union in South Carolina. The funny thing about history is that it becomes clearer after the fact.
Regardless you would try to find out some way to dispell a very clear and specific prophecy.
6 Answers
- De Rerum NaturaLv 61 decade ago
charlatan joseph smith wrote it six months after july 14, 1832 when congress passed a tariff act which south carolina refused to accept declaring it null and void. president andrew jackson alerted the U.S. troops and the nation expected war. this information can be found in any history book and even the records of the mormon newspaper "evening and morning star"
how is that prophecy?
edit: the fact is that when he made the "prophecy" he thought the north and the south were about to go to war. just because the issue may have been resolved for the time being does not change the fact that making the prophecy is what was essentially the eleventh hour before the event is no prophecy. whether the event ended up happening weeks later or years later still does not make it prophecy. he didn't not know that the situation would resolve itself. the president had informed the military and the country 'knew' war was imminent. as for calling other nations, such as great britain, any person with an understanding of the south's economy would have understood that this would be the case. the south made cotton and tabacco, britain bought it from the south and resold it elsewhere. this would have made any conflict within the states a matter of interest to britain and one in which they would seek to resolve as fast as possible.
as for the slaves rising up, there had already been several mini insurrections of slaves against their masters. it does not take an ability to prophecize to figure out that in the middle of a war the slaves would take the opportunity to do so again.
this is not a prophecy. claiming otherwise is not semi ridiculous, nor is it mildly ridiculous, it is completely so.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Arthur James Crudpole.
- 1 decade ago
I call it a prophecy by a man I've learned to call Joseph. A man of whom I have the utmost respect and I honor his work, his mission and legacy.
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah...
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- musical duckLv 41 decade ago
Joseph Smith.
those verses are in D&C somewhere.....i can't remember the section!
