What are criticism or objections of "Expelled" from those who have seen it?

http://www.expelledexposed.com/

Technically the movie is awful. There is terrible lighting and camera work. Also, knowing the story behind some of the claims made in the movie, it's frustrating to sit through a 90 minute movie when you know the producers and Stein are outright lying to you.

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The whole movie is a lie.

The makers of the film quote-mined interviews with scientists for the film. For example, they edit in some footage of Richard Dawkins giving some commentary of humans having been "created" by aliens, and then they try to make it look as if he is saying he believes that that's what happened. In truth, what really happened was that he was set up and then the quote was taken out of context. In his own words: ""Toward the end of his interview with me, Stein asked whether I could think of *any* circumstances whatsoever under which intelligent design *might* have occurred. It's the kind of challenge I relish... and bending over backwards to make the best case I could for intelligent design, I constructed a science fiction scenario. ... I was most emphatically NOT saying that I believed the thought experiment. Quite the contrary. I do not believe it... and my clear implication was that the best case I could make was a very implausible case indeed."

The whole movie does this over and over again with various scientists in the film, editing comments to make it seem like they're saying something or answering a question they're really not, or showing clips of them pausing as if they are "stumped" by a question Stein asked.

Then they also use the pathetic and desperate method of trying to scare people into thinking that learning about the theory of evolution leads to evil acts. For example, they will talk about the theory of evolution, and then intercut it with pictures of corpses in Nazi death camps.

They show scenes of Ben Stein talking to an audience of "students", and the students all jump up and applaud him enthusiastically as if they think he's brilliant. Of course, they're not going to tell you that the "audience" in that scene is not a real audience reacting spontaneously...they're paid extras.

Then they lie about just about everything else shown in the movie. The ID-sympathetic researcher whom the film paints as having lost his job at the Smithsonian Institution was never even an employee there. The same goes for many of the other examples they show where they try to claim that people were fired or demoted for holding a pro-ID stance. They are deceptive about the *actual* circumstances behind their claims, and deliberately leave out vital information that shows that those situations had nothing to do with people trying to be silenced by an atheistic scientific community.

There is not five minutes in this movie where you are not being lied to, deceived, or fed misinformation.

Go ahead and read http://www.expelledexposed.com/ There's nothing that can be described as "spoilers" in it. There's nothing in "Expelled" that's a surprise. It's a typical creationist "we're being persecuted" extended whine.

Also check out http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-things-ben...

http://mattcbr.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/pz-myers-e...

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/04/...

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/i_alway...

the film is about 90 minutes of a discussion about how "darwinism" leads to nazism. it doesn't really delve much, if at all, into the science of intelligent design, which the movie claimed it would. here's a break down of the movie. opens with stein speaking to students (paid extras, mind you) at pepperdine university. of course the students(actors) cheer for steins speech on his persuit to expose the controversy of "big science". from there, he interviews proponents of intelligent design (usually outside where the background scenery is nice). everytime they talk about how they were ridiculed for trying to teach what they felt was scientific, we're given a reminder of hitler, spliced into the movie, probably about every minute. then he interviews some actual biologists, who he refers to as "darwinists". he makes sure to interview these people in the darkest settings possible. they give they're honest opinions on religion, and stein quotemines to find quotes which he can twist so as to make it look like there's an atheist agenda to kill religion. more splicing of hitler. then we visit the nazi death camps for about half an hour. apparently this had something to do with evolution. i was laughing too much so i missed the connection. then he ends off the movie by talking to richard dawkins in a really dark room. and then goes and stare at a statue of charles darwin for about 10 minutes.

edit: booth, it's obvious you failed to get what dawkins was saying. it's easy to do, especially when stein is talking through dawkins' explanation. he didn't say we were the product of intelligent design. he said that we (cellular life)could be the product of intelligent design from aliens from another planet. HOWEVER, if one assumes this, we are then left to wonder how the aliens got there. he wasn't saying we were definitely designed by aliens, as i'm sure stein wanted viewers to believe. man, there really is a sucker born every minute.

wow, Ben Stein on Glen Beck...the combined IQ should almost be into triple digits. (Glen Beck makes Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly look like reasonable and intelligent people)

Not seen it, I don't think it's been released in Canada yet. It has been tanking at the box office in the one country in the world where there might be an audience, so I suspect it will go the DVD route,

Here are the criticisms from people who have seen it

http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/the-truth

'EXPELLED' is a sad attempt at making it look like there is some kind of conspiracy to keep some new and exciting scientific discovery out of high school science classrooms.

This 'new and exciting scientific discovery' of course being creationism - which has been repeatedly shown not to be science, even after its proponents tried to dress it up with a pseudo-scientific name like 'Intelligent Design'.

The reason that 'ID' continues to NOT be taught in our countries schools is that it has ZERO evidence to support it.

Its proponents do not submit their 'findings' (if they even had any) to any kind of scientific publications, they also have a total lack of any kind of testable analysis. They rely on the ignorance of the individual they are trying to convince - and use arguments from authority in place of actual proof.

The fact is - evolutionary theory might be shown to be flawed one day.

But if it is, it will be because of advances in science, not having rehashed superstitious creationist nonsense keeping people ignorant.

They lied...a lot.

Edit: Okay, they interviewed the biologists under false pretenses. All given examples of "discrimination" don't actually exist. They also resort to Reductio ad Hiterlum, and claim evolution caused the Holocaust. They also attempted to use copyright videos without consent.

A large number of ethically questionable practices.