Just another qcience question for Creationists - From an atheist :) - Light speed?

Are you saying you've never heard their answer to this before?

To them it's simple, God created the light "in transit" so that it would already reach us. It didn't have to come all the way from the source. God just made it so it looks that way.

Just like he planted dinosaur bones to fool us into believing these giant reptiles existed.

I'm not a YECer, but it should be noted that light in space does not travel 1 lightyear in a year. Wait, wait, don't jump on me yet. Hear me out. I'm not saying that it doesn't go the speed to cover a lightyear in a year. It undeniably does. But there's another factor, the stretching of space.

Space is stretching, and has been doing so since the Big Bang. When it does this, the light waves in space are stretched as well. That's how we get cosmological red shift (one of the primary sources of evidence for the Big Bang having happened).

Also, light travels at the speed of light relative to space at the time it is travelling. So, at the beginning of time, when the universe was tiny, light would have travelled across it almost instantaneously (the universe started out opaque, so this didn't actually happen).

YECers believe that the stars were created really early on. If they accept that space is stretching, and perhaps that it started out as a tiny little dot, then space, at one point, was stretching at a tremendous rate (we also accept there was an inflationary period when this happened, but not nearly what they would require). If stars were created before this massive inflation, and if the universe was not opaque at the time (sort of a prerequisite to star formation that the universe would have cleared, but I'm not really expecting total adherance to science from YECers, so I have to say it), light could have travelled great distances in a short time. And then that light would have stretched to us. Heck, if the universe was sufficiently small, the light could have travelled clear across it in a matter of years, days, hours, or whatever.

Just as God created Adam as a man, He created the universe with the appearance of age. Rivers didn't have to to flow until the snow caps melted, and plants and trees didn't have to grow from created seeds.

Now you answer a question:

Every year, rivers put tons of sodium into the ocean. If the sea had no sodium to start with, it would have accumulated its present amount in less than millions of years. This is much less than the evolutionary age of the ocean of billions years.

How can what you believe be true, that the earth is billions of years old, when the scientific evidence of lower sodium levels points to a much younger earth?

Not all Creationist believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, much less the universe. Also, as I've said before, if my God isn't big enough to do whatever He wants, then He's a pretty puny God and not worth worshiping. I don't presume to know how it happened, but I give my God credit for it. If you don't, that's fine, but who are you to deride my beliefs?

Edit - Unwarrented defense? Not sure what you mean by that. Granted I'm a littly touchy tonight -- been a lot of "You stupid Christian" so-called questions tonight and I'm tired. So I'll take your edit as a sign from God that I should get off and get a good nights sleep. Thanks! ;)

In the past, the Catholic church stubbornly and wrongly tried to control what they thought was the truth -- totally apart from Bible dictates. It led to the inquisition, terror, and loss of faith in erroneous dogma.

Today, similarly, some who call themselves Christians teach dogma unrelated to the Bible that causes anyone, Bible believer or not, with 5 cents worth of gray matter to laugh hilariously at their torpidity and cry at their making God 's name a laughing stock around the world.

Clearly, when the Bible teaches that the earth and the heavens were created in the BEGINNING -- this can be any age our scientists desire. In fact, the Bible's phrasing never needs correction, while the scientists occasionally re-assess their 13 bill to 15 bill years (or whatever) they choose at the moment.

The creative days, preparatory days also are greatly misrepresented.

If you go to my profile, access the homepage address there, look under BB4 for "creation" and read the pages there to see what the Bible does permit in regard to interpretation.

Try this math.

The earth slows down 1 second every 10 months. (Scientific fact) If you go back 1 million years adding that second for every 10 months the earth would rotate around the sun so fast it would most likely spin out of orbit and at the very least the seasons would change so fast you could never have a growth season for vegetation. Now imagine how fast the earth would rotate at the 40 million or 40 billion you evolutionist believe.

You want to explain math facts, explain this. No it didn't rotate that fast then or it started slowing later. You have no facts to support that.

Hey, I'm still waiting for your mathematical equation. Whats the matter, can't make the numbers add up?

Why both asking questions of Creationist? They will always get an answer because they have to. However implausible and ridiculous, they have to have answers because that is what religion is about, answers. If they were to wake up and ask the most fundamental (excuse the pun), most basic questions of life, their cosy world would collapse.

Why would this matter to creationists? They don't believe that God is bound by the laws of physics. They probably assume that God started the light we see today at a point in space 6000 lightyears away from earth.

The Bible does not give the age of the universe.

Anyone saying it does is a big fat liar.

Therefore there is no need to quarrel over the age of the universe.

What's question #2?

You are absolutely right, but since creationists checked their brains at the church door, they won't understand the logic behind your question.