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Christians, I don't understand...?

Why you choose to worship a god that commands the murder of infants?

No matter what Babylon did to the Israelites, why should the Jews have been "happy" to break the heads of children open on the banks of the Euphrates?

I'm quite sure I'm understanding this passage perfectly in context-- if not, please be specific in explaining why I'm not. What about this god is attractive to you?

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Happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

(Ps. 137:9)

Update:

I'm not selectively quoting the bible, it's loaded with stuff like this.

First Poster: I'm not sure if you're joking, but that's hilarious.

Seriously Christians, it's your Bible, not mine. How do you expect people to accept it as truth if you can't explain it?

Update 2:

Somebody: No sane reader of the Old Testament could say that god doesn't condone violence. And again, please explain how I'm taking this out of context.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    me either, and yes they will get angry at you for asking because they cant answer the question, they will find a way to put the blame back on you.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    If you dont believe then dont believe. Thats your choice. Why do people believe in religions that teach hate and murder. Again thats their choice. If you dont want to believe in God then Ok. We have been given our own will to do as we please on this earth. Nobody should put a gun to your head to believe in christianity, not even God does that. So dont put on others a question of doubt because of something you are having a hard time with.

    Not being mean to you and this doesnt upset me because we all have trouble even I with things, questions that I havent had answered. With me I just believe dispite what things I have questioned about.

    God bless and I hope your answer will be understood soon.

  • babbie
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    Now YOU answer a question for US:

    If you are so obsessed with the Bible, why don't you READ it for yourself, instead of just picking through it looking for the "good parts"? The only people on here who will take your rant seriously are those who are just as ignorant of the Bible as you are. I'm assuming you're smarter than that.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    This isn't from God, this is from the writer of Ps. 137. It's taken out of context. This chapter is about group of people broken and in pain after the Babylonians destroyed their temple. Of course the writer was upset about this. So he says he (the writer, not God) rewards anyone who would get back at the Babylonians, who would kill their children in revenge. This is his opinion. God doesn't condone violence, in fact he claims vengeance only for himself. "Vengeance is mine sayeth the lord".

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  • 1 decade ago

    No you don't

    You have take this scripture out of context.

    The Psalms in chapter 37 is Isarel crying to GOD because they are captives in Babylon.

    They sit down on the rivers and cry as they remember their home Land.

    Israel is in sorrow because of the oppression they face.

    It is Israel crying out to GOD to give back to babylon what babylon did to them.

    Verse 9 you use says

    Psa 137:8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

    Psa 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

    they ask GOD to judge babylon and happy will he be that the person who destroy's babylon as they have destroyed Israel.

    Happy shall the person be if they dash the little ones against the stone in retaliation for what babylon has done to Israel.

    It was a poem of the heart ache of israel of what babylon did to them and in asking GOD to bring the same vegence on babylon as Israel was treated.

    Of course it was out of context. God was not giving a command here Israel was asking GOD for vegence against those who were oppressing them.

    GOD is a just GOD.

    He does punish the wicked.

  • 1 decade ago

    Don't take everything the Bible says in context.

  • 1 decade ago

    if you truly want to know, keep reading.

    If not, then why ask?

    Ok let us begin we shall go verse by verse.

    Psalm 137

    1By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

    The Jews were taken in exile to Babylon cause of their sins and stubborn refusal to repent and they reflect on their home weeping and feeilng very sad.

    Now imagine that Americans were taken from our country and were shipped overseas and forced to live in another country like Iran. Wouldnt we miss America and our country? Wouldnt we be sad and homesick? So were the Jews.

    2We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

    They were so upset they just put away their instruments. Walking on the way to Babylon in exile, how could they make music and be happy? Would we be playing instruments and dancing if like the Iraqians came over and took us away as exiles? No, it would be a humiliating defeat for us. Last thing we would do is sing and party.

    3For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

    The Babylonians that had captured the Jews and were leading them wanted to them to sing one of their native songs. "Hey, why dont you sing us one of them there songs of yours? Ha ha!"

    Would we do that? Could we? Imagine trying to sing God Bless America or The Star Spangled Banner or any such song at such a difficult time?

    (Oh please notice so far none of these verses have mentioned God or the Lord. You may look back and double check.)

    4How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?

    Yes, imagine how hard it was for them to sing a native song in some foreign land where they had never been? Imagine how hard it would be for us if such a thing happened to us? Would we start playing our instruments and partying if our enemies took us away to live in a land whose culture and language we dont know? I dont think so.

    5If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

    They refused and never wanted to forget their home. I have been overseas and although it was fun there, one still gets homesick and still wants to go back home. Imagine being taken by force from your home and you have no clue if you will ever see home again. These arent just characters. They didnt have halos over their heads. They were real people like you and me. If they existed right now, Im pretty sure no one would know they were a Bible character since they were normal like us. Had feelings just like we do. They were human.

    6If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

    Again they wanted to remember Jerusalem and never forget their home. Who could blame them?

    7Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

    The person who wrote this Psalm is talking this whole time and He asks the Lord to remember how they had destroyed the temple even to its foundation. The temple if I recall right was burned.

    Now that sounds calm, but would any of us be all calm about it? Let me put it this way.

    Would we be like, Oh Lord remember how Osama and crew destroyed our Twin Towers? all calm? I dont think so. We wouldnt be calm about that. That was a major catastrophe. So was the temple being utterly destroyed to the Jews. It wasnt just a building to them. It was very important.

    Now again so far nothing about God speaking. God isnt speaking. Read carefully and you will see NOTHING about God speaking or anything. God isnt being led into exile. God didnt hang His harp on a tree, God isnt speaking.

    Pay attention to the last two verses for they are combined and most often are separated.

    8O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

    Now again the Psalmlist who wrote this Psalm whoever that was is obviously one who was being led into exile and according to this and the next verse was very bitter.

    Let me say what he was saying in easy to understand terms, "Babylon! You jerks! You are going to get it good! You are going down! Whoever gets to destroy you is going to be one happy fellow! You are so going to get it for what you did to us! Bastards!"

    These arent words of an angry mean God. These are words of if I may be so blunt...a very bitter and pissed off humiliated Jew who wants revenge.

    Now let me say this...Osama destroyed (well his crew) the towers. Now imagine his crew captured us and forced us all over to his country to be his slaves. Wouldnt we too have a few words to say? perhaps somethings like, "You ******* asshole Osama! Man, whoever gets to kill your ******* son of a ***** is gonna be one happy person! I hope you get exactly what you did to us and worse you dick head!" excuse the language but that is exactly how that Jew felt...only there are no cuss words in the Bible.

    9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

    Now this verse is tied with verse 8 and for that matter the whole Psalm.

    The man continues basically saying, "Whoever destroys your children will be one happy fellow."

    This isnt God commanding it nor speaking it. No where in the entire Psalm does God even say a word. You may double check if you want.

    Instead these are words of a depressed Jew who gets pissed off and vengeful at the end.

    Let's put the two verses together without the numbers.

    O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

    See? Now let's say again Osama takes us to be his slaves in his land. Let us say that in American terms and replace Babylon for Osama/iraq and the fancy KJV for blunt American termology.

    "Oh you ******* Osama, your so dead asshole! Man oh man whoever gets to ring your ugly ******* neck will be so happy! Man and I hope it is me! I hope we all get to kill you you son of a *****! You jerk! You destroyed our towers and killed thousands upon thousands of our loved ones! I hope you get exactly what you did to them! Oh man whoever gets to torture and kill you will be so happy! Whoever destroys your asshole servants will be so joyful!"

    Ok forgive the swearing but let's be honest...we wouldnt be all nicey nice about it.

    So I hope that helps explain it.

    Remember no where does God even speak ONCE in this Psalm. Not even ONCE.

    Read through it word by word yourself and see if you find one part where God is mention speaking.

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