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Why is it that Creationists, who believe in something with no basis in evidence, feel they have the right to?
...repeatedly demand evidence from atheists regarding evolution?
And then they say 150 years worth of experiments and scientific observations isn't good enough.
(Please note that I said Creationists, if you're a Christian who understands and accepts evolution, don't jump me here, I wasn't talking to you)
I know I just asked this, but it was deleted and I would like to see some more answers.
However, I am apparently not allowed to respond to people's comments or I get reported by some insecure Creationist who's probably crying because they know I'm right, and then the question gets removed.
Please keep in mind a few things that were commented on last time that I'd imagine I will be reported for if I try to respond to them again
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1. Creationism/ID has no basis in fact. Doctor Dino or any of his cohorts are basing their arguments sheerly on opinion.
2. Evolution is based on observable evidence, supported by the fossil record, and supported by insurmountable amounts of research and experimentation. To accept it you need only to be reasonable. To deny it takes an extreme amount of faith and an extreme amount of ignorance.
3. I've never read the God Delusion or anything else by Richard Dawkins. I barely know who he is save for a couple minutes worth of youtube clips I've seen. Same goes for any other atheist author. The facts and opinions that I state here are my own, and I am not parroting anyone more famous than myself.
4. Creationists demand evidence for Evolution, but cannot provide evidence for creationism. This is not reasonable. Scientists provide evidence for evolution, Big bang, etc. and then ask for evidence for God. This is reasonable. It's the age old "I'll show you mine, now you show me yours" game.
Now, the question: For someone who believes a Magic Being™ who exists outside of the space-time continuum poofed the universe into existence with a word, isn't that just a little over-demanding?
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Therefore I will not respond to any comments or I'll be reported for chatting again. Thanks.
24 Answers
- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Because they do not base their lives on facts or evidence, and scorn people who do.
- 1 decade ago
You sound extremely intelligent, and I think the world would be a better place with more people like you. Creationism makes no sense and you're right.- evolution at least has scientific evidence backing it up. Obviously no one alive today was around at the beginning of it all, but I think it takes very little to see what is probable and what is not. As for the demand for evidence that Creationists ask of you, I would point them in the direction of any science book or web site. Don't bother asking them for evidence, they will only show you a Bible, which to them somehow is so much better and more believable than every other holy book on the planet. You sound like you pretty much know what is right and wrong, so don't even worry about anyone else.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I'm not sure if I qualify to answer based on your criteria but I think I'm close so I'll go ahead and answer. I'm a creationist who believes in and accepts evolution. Not the evolutionary theory as it relates to the origins of life, but evolution as the adaptation and change of the characteristics of species over long or short periods of time. I believe birds can change into very different looking birds. But I don't buy a lizard turning into one. It might be a lizard that can fly but it's still a lizard. Just wanted you to know where I'm coming from. Also BTW I come from a family of genetic scientists who also don't believe in the evolutionary theory. I don't think it takes any more or less faith to believe in the evolutionary theory than it takes to believe in divine creation. There's no way we'll ever be able to prove either one scientifically so it does seem that asking for "proof" is kind of ridiculous.
To answer your question, why do people scream for proof? I think the biggest reason is because in many cases evolutionary theory is taught as fact in our schools. I'm fine with teaching evolution. Teach fact as fact and theory as theory.
I know, my answer was shorter than my explanation of what I believe. Kinda like your question. But I don't think anybody should report you either. Have a good one!
- MCSHughesLv 71 decade ago
The belief that creation as cause of life on earth is based in evidence. I personally have volumes of such evidences with which I teach creation based science as well as the fallacy of evolution (in respect to the creation of life).
Anyone has a right to ask anyone else for evidence of ANY claims they make. Those questions may, or may not choose to respond to it.
2, Creation science is based on observable evidence, in fact, it's EXACTLY the same evidence that evolutionist's have. It's not the evidence that's in question, as we both have the same. It's the interpretation of the evidence and claims that are in dispute. I agree with you in that it takes incredible amounts of faith to believe in something as spurious as the creation of life through evolutionary means. Much more blind faith is required.
3. You might want to read Dawkins, et. al. It's helpful in the study of the concept of evolution, creation, and life. I find the best evidences against evolution from their own writings and have an extensive powerpoint that takes hours to view just from secularists using their own writings and conclusions.
4. Yes we can. There are volumes of evidences for you, both for creationism as well as the fallacy of evolution. Big Bang to use your example, isn't a fact that's demonstratable. It's a spurious "theory" that is NOT universally accepted (as little is), because many understand it's merely conjecture.
I'm unsure about your question about a "Magic Being". Personally, I've never heard of such a thing, so I haven't heard of your perspective there regarding that. Intelligent Design is a popular point of view, as is creationism in that God created the heavens and the earth. Perhaps you mean God? If you took the notion that God created the heavens and the earth, and applied nothing more that you know of God, I could understand how you might feel it's a bit "over demanding". Luckily, we don't have to limit ourselves in that way. We can see the evidence of God's creation and His interaction in our lives everywhere. That, and the evidence he gives us, makes it difficult NOT to believe in one God in three persons creating, then caring for His creation.
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- cadisneygirlLv 71 decade ago
Creationists claim they have received proof of God and their beliefs thru personal revelation from God. You may discount this as proof, but to them its all the proof they need. You cant really argue with their proof of this since its personal revelation from God and not something another person can prove to someone else.
They will readily admit, for the most part, that they cant prove it to you but that you have to ask God for your own proof. You say they have no proof. They will disagree with you. You cant disprove personal revelation anymore than they can prove it to you.
Evolutionists, however, claim all their belief in this theory is based solely on scientific fact. This means that you can, in fact, prove it to another person. Since evolutionists claim to have the evidence to prove the theory then they should be able to come up with the evidence, conclusively, if they expect another person to agree with them and proclaim it as the only possible explanation or to defend it as fanatically as some evolutionists do.
There are diff parts to the evolution argument. Just because you dont believe in all the theories behind it doesnt mean you dont agree with parts of it. Evolutionists will play the semantics game with creationists, many times, making it seem like if they discount any of it then they must discount it all and be "ignorant" of all of it.
A person truly grounded in facts and science would never say that evolution is the only possible explanation for life as we know it to exist. We dont have the absolute conclusive evidence to back this up and we really dont know as much about science as we like to think. If you really were intellectually honest you would say its the best explanation we have right now to explain life as we know it and there are still unanswered questions to this theory that maybe one day we will be able to answer.
I see no purpose in stopping scientific research or using evolution as any kind of proof that God doesnt exist. The Bible never says how the earth was created, just that God created it.
I think both sides have its fanatics that arent willing to look outside their own beliefs and argue the issue rationally. I think both sides have people that dont really have a clue what evolution is really all about. All they know is what they learned in basic biology, if they were even paying attention those few days its taught.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I ignore all the mumbo jumbo and disapproving people that disapprove of what you believe because it isn't in aggrement with theirs.
No one needs proof to believe n something.
Believe N whatever you want Just make sure you stick with it.
Some find proof in everything that others do not see and then the same backwards some find nothing that proves a religion and yet they demand you prove your religion "theory"
"I don't have to prove anything to you!"
In the end they find something "wrong" & "right" in
any-everything...I Do Not think ANYONE has the right to ask someone to PROVE their beliefs!
LOL
I dunno but I totally see yer point!
Crazy UNIVERSE we live in!!
- jtrusnikLv 71 decade ago
Creationists know that putting the other guy on the defensive is a good strategy. That's why they do it: they can't win on the intellectual merits of their position, so they delve into good tactics while ignoring the actual issues at stake.
It's like taking the top of a hill when fighting with a bow, and continuing to smirk while your opponent drives his tank towards your position.
- ?Lv 51 decade ago
Simple: They do not have the right.
In all sincerity, nobody has the right to try to dismantle the beliefs of others. Religion is a personal thing. Though I don't believe in any Gods, I don't feel it would be respectful of me to force this opinion on someone who does believe. I also feel it would be disrespectful if someone were to force their pro-God beliefs down my throat.
I do not mind them probing me about my beliefs, and questioning me respectfully. I sincerely hope my own probes and questions meet with equal acceptance on their part.
A problem that seems to be huge in America (though very tiny here in the UK), is the dominance of theistic religion in the law and in government. To this I certainly stand opposed.
So though I agree with you in your view, that there is no right for theists to impose their way on atheists, I also recognise that it is a two way street, and they are right to be just as outraged when we point and laugh at them.
((((hugs))))
~Loving Light~
Source(s): Pikan Atheist - 1 decade ago
You've never read the God Delusion? What kind of atheist are you?
Source(s): Eh, I've never read it either. All hail Lime Kitty! - 1 decade ago
They also think that the scientific method was "re-written" to allow evolution, they think a theory is nothing more then an educated guess, the think that Satan planted dinasour bones and they refuse to acknowledge transitional fossils.
They also believe that mutation and adaption has nothing to do with evolution.
So seriously. Don't sweat the stupid people. Consider the source. The good news is that Natural Selection should knock them all out of the gene pool soon. *crosses her fingers*
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Well be understanding, everyone must believe in something.I believe I will have another large whiskey,ice and a splash of soda, cheers,"hic".