Homosexual citizens of the United States: Why should you pay taxes if one of your civil rights is missing?

EL MARIACHI wrote: "Prop 8 passed, could we plz get off this subject now, I don't always get my votes i want passed but i dont go out of my way and go protest and cry about it, I have better things to do like MAKE MONEY an PAY BILLS."

How dare you think that you can take away our basic rights and we should forget it!

It is NOT as if just some person got elected we don't like or a tax measure passed we don't like , etc

Prop 8 was inherently DIFFERENT

It took away some of our very basic CIVIL RIGHTS. For the first time in US history people are voting away someones elses rights as citizens in this country.

How would YOU feel if YOU were now a permanent second class citizen.?

How would you like it if they passed a law saying YOU could no longer be married?

So don't say "get off it!"

What's next? Whose rights would you like to take away next?

The Mormon Church has itself been the object of discrimination during its history yet now they forget that and decide to discriminate against gays by giving over 20 million dollars to pass Prop 8 in CA. Just so they can cram their errant religious views down our throats. Where did they get this money? It should have been taxed! They should have their tax exempt ststus removed.

And the African Americans. On the same day that they seemed to turn a corner on the long history of their own discrimination in this country, and elect a black president, they decide to overwhelmingly vote to discriminate against gays. How nice.

They seem not to be able to remember Martin Luther King's march into Selma, Alabama where he was flanked by other life long suportors, TWO OF WHOM WERE GAY WIITE MEN!

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY IMPORTANT BASIC CIVIL RIGHT

So NO I won't stop protesting.

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ADD:

In the middle of writing my response I had to quit. I was crying too much.

Because I had to grow up gay I was hurt so painfully and so much. Fortunately many things are so much better, but too many people still insist on discriminating against us just because our sexual orientation is different from theirs. And I could never understand why so many people hated us so much. We never asked or chose to be gay. It was the way God made us. And even today, when there is so much information now available which could dispel all the ignorance and absolute lies spread about us, there are still so many people who opt to continue in their lack of understanding and lack of compassion or empathy. I get so frustrated seeing people who seemingly do not care that once again we are severely hurt. That after finally achieving our just civil rights in CA they quickly and callously vote to take them away. And some of the attitudes expressed here seem to indicate that too many take delight in harming and hurting us.

It is one of the main reasons why I can not abide Institutional Religions which so distort and pervert what should be the natural compassion and empathy of people towards others. A religion which teaches such intolerance and hatred teach only a perversion of the love God wants us all to live by. All we want is that same thing you already assume is your right -- to marry legally the person we have fallen in love with. And whom we love so much and want to commit to for the rest of our lives. How can any sensible caring person construe that as wrong? Your religions had been telling your forbears for centuries that slavery was perfectly OK, and that women should be subject to the authority of men. Common sense and a better understanding of morality has finally won out. Now that we have become more informed about sexual orientation, and understand that my love for my partner is the same as your love for yours, why do you insist on your seemingly hatful discrimination? Please educate yourselves and please learn how to have just a little more compassion and empathy. You can expostulate a million times how you "accept Jesus as your Savior" but unless you treat others with love, compassion and justice, your religion becomes a farce and your prostestations of "faith" totally meaningless.

I just can not understand why so many people use any excuse they can to hurt us so much.

We are just like everyone else. We have the same desires, the same hopes, strive for the same happiness, and yes we even have the same faults. To fall in love with someone gives us the same joy it does you. But for the exclusive homosexual this MUST be with someone of the same sex. Thus to exercise our right to get married it must necessarily be to a person of the same sex if we wish to have an intimate loving relationship on the deeply emotional and sexual level.

Why can’t some of you understand this?

Why do so many people hate us so much?

I can not understand.

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And yes STEVIE: The courts have determined that marriage IS a basic civil right. Just as the CA courts also determined. And just whay do you want to deprive us of this right? Why are you that hateful?

You stated, in your attempt to validate what seems to us as a hateful, intollerant, and bigoted disregard for gays in this country the following: "The marriage laws establish classifications (same gender vs. opposite gender) and discriminate based on those gender-based classifications. As such, for the purpose of an equal protection analysis, the legislative scheme creates a gender-based classification.”

You just said it. "and DISCRIMINATE (against gays) based on those gender-based classifications" and recent court rulings have recognized that this is WRONG! That to garantee equal protection, because our understanding of exclusive or constitutional homosexuality is now better understood, it is NOW stated by some of our more enlightened courts that to ONLY allow opposite gender marriages, deprives gays of their constitutional rights.

Only after the CA courts had so determined, it is people like you (52% of those voting) who decided that we must again be discriminated against.

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And QUEEN. . .: "Separation of church and state" also means that OUR legal rights are not to be curtailed because of YOUR religious views!

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And EDWARD: Thank you for your understanding and compassion. You wrote: "There is no mention of gay marriage being a civil right in the constitution. And by the way the U.N. doesn't recognise it as a human right either."

You are wrong. Interpretations by the US Supreme Court HAVE recognized legal marriage to be a constitutional civil right. And the CA Supreme Court HAD declared that we should also have this right to marry. But people like you ONLY want that right for yourselves.

And why listen to the U N?

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And HUGH: You stated that marriage was not a right. Then how would you feel if someone voted to disallow you from getting married? I'd bet you'd call it your right then.

How if someone voted to dent you the 1000 or more FEDERAL rights and protections under Federal Law for married couples? And numerous state laws?

And then had the state courts (as is happening in many states where such amendments have passed) to take away other rights afforded couples like adopting their pertner's children, or visitation rights in the hospital, or even benefits afforded to them by their place of employment? Or all the other hard won gains for gay rights over the years?

Your ignorance and lack of empathy is abominable.

The 16th Amendment says that taxes are to be paid by the corporations and that it is voluntary for the citizens SO ... we should not pay taxes either way.

I haven't paid taxes per se since 1997 anyway. One must make money is order to pay taxes.

But you're right, gay people have a legit beef.

Peace

Atheists should have to pay either as we don't have equality under the law and we are over 16% of the population now . I think since the LDS and RCC churches seem to have these rights we should tax the living sh*t out of them instead they can afford it .

That is a great question. But, you say you're gay, too, so since I bet gay marriage isn't legal in your country either, why do you pay taxes? Your civil right is missing, too, ya know.

I'm gay and not from America either... :)

P.S.: try asking in the LGBT section

Is Marriage a Constitutional Right?

One of our most fundamental rights as citizens of the United States of America is the right to marry the person of our choice. Courts in this country have determined that the right to marry is, in some cases, more fundamental than the right to vote. [Loving v Virginia (1967) and Zablocki v Redhail (1978)]

The right to marry cannot be denied:

* on the basis of an individual’s race;

* to those who have shown themselves to be delinquent on child welfare payments; or

* to inmates.

Every day, however, tax-paying, law-abiding gays and lesbians who love and cherish each other and their children are denied the ability to protect their families with a marriage license.

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution extends “equal protection of the laws” to all citizens. The California Constitution also has an “equal protection” clause, and specifically prohibits gender-based discrimination. The intent of both the U.S. and California Constitutions is violated when we discriminate on the basis of gender in the issuance of marriage licenses and treat some families differently than others. As California Superior Court Judge Richard A. Kramer explained:

“If a person, male or female, wishes to marry, then he or she may do so as long as the intended spouse is of a different gender. It is the gender of the intended spouse that is the sole determining factor. To say that all men and all women are treated the same in that each may not marry someone of the same gender misses the point. The marriage laws establish classifications (same gender vs. opposite gender) and discriminate based on those gender-based classifications. As such, for the purpose of an equal protection analysis, the legislative scheme creates a gender-based classification.”

http://www.nbjcoalition.org/news/is-marriage-a-con...

i shouldn't, but i know they'll persecute my butt if i don't, esecially if i tell them the reason why. with the patriot act, i'll be declared an enemy combatant and shipped off without a trial. the democrats better repeal that piece of crap immediately.

Your rights are not taken away

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If they join in a state like California that allows two same sex marriage

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Then the tax they pay is the same as a heterosexual couple

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And if they just live together with out a legal joining they they both have to pay a tax as anyone single would

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And the only ones that it is illegal with are people who do not condone a same sex marriage

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And that is the only ones who do

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You're right. In fact, the Mormon Church gets a defacto subsidy because they enjoy all the protection of having government (fire, police, roads, etc), but they pay nothing into the system. Therefor, they are essentially being subsidized by the very people whose rights they are eagerly working to destroy.

They shouldnt!

Then when they go to jail that will be less people trying to get gay marriage passed.

There were several churches in the area actually advocating and preaching in their churches for their congregations to vote no on 8. Are you going to be hypocrites or should they all lose their tax exempt status, too?

i dont think that it is fair either, im gay and i would love to marry my girlfriend but now we have to wait thanx to some bigots.

to answer your question: exactly. most of this stuff revolves around BIG MONEY. the LDS is a huge business and it is trying to expand its market. pushing the gay marriage button has proven to be quite an effective tactic.