People against same sex marriage, a question or three?

The Fundies don't realize that the concept of marriage existed before their fairy tale book was invented.

I am for it, for many reasons. The primary reason is that if you establish a legal precedent that a certain citizen does not have all the rights of *any other* citizen based solely on his sexual preference, then you can use that precedent to establish that said citizen isn't really a citizen at all. The "equal protection" clause of the Fourteenth amendment is clear. All citizens are to be protected equally under the law. Therefore, if marriage is to be defined by the government at all, it should be inclusive of all citizens, not just the straight ones. It wasn't that long ago in our nation's history that interracial marriage was illegal (1). We look back at that now and wonder how we could possibly be so narrow-minded -- and how we could deny all citizens the right to marry whom they please. What I find most disconcerting is that people claim that homosexuals are exceedingly promiscuous and simultaneously would deny them the chance to enter a monogamous relationship with all the rights, privileges and legal protections that a straight couple can so easily enter.

Sabrina:

"I'm not against same-sex marriage, but what I AM against is when they adopt a child!!"

Damn them for giving unwanted and/or abandoned children a home and family! Seriously? No, really... are you being serious right now?

Why are you against same sex marriage? Does your faith influence this?

I see no other reason someone would oppose gay marriage, or even homosexuality, period. Given no one has personal view, merely one either told to them by their church or religious following. The fact that marriage predates every known religious faith should honestly be enough, but most are naive enough to think it's something created and managed by their own religious faith, hence they believe they should have some control over it.

Listen, people. Homosexuality is natural. It has not only been recorded to be present in society and culture as far back as we have texts to describe life of the past, but it is even observed in several dozen animal species. Why, it was so accepted and well-known that Jesus himself, according to the Bible, courted his neighbor Joseph something-or-other as well as wife.

Though hey, let's delve into this religious propaganda further. Do any of you even realize that homosexuality wasn't a sin several decades ago? That's right! Your god, the Church, has made yet another revision to the Bible. The counter is well over 2,600 now.

It is said, in theory, that homosexuality is a form of populace control set in motion by nature. Hence the reason the more densely populated an area is, the more homosexuality is present. An interesting theory, I don't personally agree with it, but a legitimate viewpoint none-the-less.

The arguement that marriage is tradition? It also used to be tradition that it was only between a white male and white female, in America anyway. Men also used to choose wives by means of rape. If you're a fan of tradition, then where have those gone?

If someone does have a legitimate, opinionated, and subjective personal viewpoint, I would absolutely love to hear it! What is wrong with gay marriage or even homosexuality?

*Edit*

Agent Smith:

"I don't want to have to explain this kind of sexuality to my young children."

So, personal insecurity and/or fear means you need to try to control? Religious conditioning, buddy. May I ask you a question; are you attracted to the same sex?

Homosexuality is not contageous. Nor would they turn your children gay simply by the open introduction of it. If this were a legitimate concern, homosexuals wouldn't even exist. The straight would have turned them straight, correct?

If your child is gay, they will be gay. If they are straight, they will be straight. Regardless of what you may teach them, attempt to abuse them mentally with, they are what they are.

To add to your question, it isn't even the church that regulates marriage, it is the state.

and will one of you please tell me WHY your god says homosexuality is a sin rather than just saying, "because it is a sin"?

**Edit to a response**

Ok, I do hope you realize by saying that the children of divorce or a same sex marriage are going to be screwed up, you just insulted me. I was raised by a single parent, and yeah I basically raised myself, but I think I turned out fine, and I think I'll get ten times further in life then the pretentious assholes who think they are just so perfect because their mommy and daddy would rather sit there and fight and scream at each other and emotionally scar them than get a divorce and break the major sacred rule of religion.

Oh and no, your god didn't set the rules for marriage, there was the concept of marriage long before religion was ever brought into society.

Ok, another edit, I do hope a good amount of you realize that homosexuality isn't a choice, anybody who believes that probably believes that you use a ps2 for making waffles....I mean it seems to be on the same intelligence level........

Also, marriage does not exist for procreation, are you saying that infertile marriages shouldn't be allowed to take place? And what of all the people who are having kids when they are not married?

One more point, the problem with civil unions isn't on a state level; those who are in a civil union will still get the few state benefits but they miss out and are refused the millions of federal benefits. So they are being denied benefits.

I think that anyone has the right to have a marriage whether your gay or straight. I don't understand why people have a problem with gay marriage anyway, what did they do to you guys anyway besides try to love each other and live their lives? I agree with you.

This has been a hot button topic and it seems to continue. I like your ? since to me seems well thought out and honest and I will try to be as honest and intelligent in answering it. Plus, I do not see any malice in this question and give further kudos for it.

A. I don't oppose a legal contract btw same sex couples and I don't oppose that they should have the same rights as that of heterosexual married couples. Civil Union couples, be it same or different sex have the equal rights under California law.

B. Again, it isn't the concept of same sex couples being together as a civil union, though I believe their acts of homosexual coupling is a sin, I feel that it was an attack on the definition of marriage than same sex couple joining in civil unions. There was also a Constitutional matter that I believe the state supreme court usurped. Remember, back in 2002 the state of California passed prop. 22 overwhelmingly with 61% of the vote. The 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution allows for this since marriage is not delegated by said document. The concept of states rights needs to be adhered to and strengthened.

C. I do believe your statement of "very few homosexuals....asking.... given status of matrimonial" is misinformed. First, when San Francisco mayor (excuse me if I am mistaken here) Gavin Newsom started handing marriage certificates in 2004, 100s of same sex couples went to city hall. The state supreme court rightly so anulled all the marriages since the law stated that only marriage btw. a man and a woman will be recognized in the state of California. Mayor Newsom maliciously broke the law. Then, in early 2008 the state supreme court that now has a left leaning majority of judges ruled prop. 22 to be unconstitutional and all accounts legallizing same sex marriages. Hundreds of if not thousands of same sex couples around California lined up at city hall in their respective towns and cities and got married. To answer the rest of the question, I believe marriage is a sacred institution and should remain so. To change that meaning would actually allow more perverted citizens to engage in their concept of love, such as the group NAMBLA, that is already working on lawsuits against states outlawing their twisted idea of coupling with young boys. It might sound like a slippery slope, but one has to look at how muddied this concept is ask yourself, "is it worth the trip up that hill in my 1000 dollar suit."

I know I do tend to ramble, but that is the only way I know how to get my point across. I also hope this explains my position on this matter more clearly.

Good Luck and God Bless.

The problem is that homosexuals are not just advocating for legal sanction they are looking for moral endorsement and approval. Legal contracts are already available for same sex couples who want to protect their relationships and their rights to and in each others lives.

The question could is why do gay men and women who have rejected society’s norms want and even demand society’s sanction and approval?

Marriage as an idea, as a social convention and a word is different in its essence than a legal contract alone. It is a real mystical union. Sexual activity alone does not define marriage. The idea of marriage is more than just an efficient living arrangement for financial improvement, emotional attachment and sexual availability. That is not to say those arrangements do not exist or that over time that is what some marriages become.

Their own spokes people have said they are looking for equivalency a moral blessing. They demean heterosexual marriage by pointing to divorce rates among other arguments. In effect saying it’s just a piece of paper to you heteros. While at the same time making a huge stink over the same piece of paper.

Wow.

Reading some of these answers ...

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

people are just ignorant. they need to wake up and see the world is not all black and white. ugh! i hate it, it pisses me off. btw im on ur side lol :) im bi, im all for gay marriage!

Rob - "Its my firm belief that homosexuals are perverted sexual deviants many of which are mentally unstable. How bout legal marriage to an animal or NAMBLA. How dare they try to force their beliefs on me."

Are you assuming that you would be forced to attend the service?