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larry
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larry asked in SportsOutdoor RecreationHunting · 1 decade ago

New life for all those 270's?

Formerly King o' the Hill for near-30-06 performance at less recoil, the 270 has lately been put in the back of the gun cabinet amid murmurs of "still tears up the deer too much". Well, a lot of us are good reloaders who can fix that. The 130 grain Nosler Partition bullet can be loaded to 2700 fps for 1000 ft-lb delivered energy at 400 yards, plenty for the biggest deer with good shot placement centering the lungs, a large target. The Nosler Partition bullet will easily punch through the biggest legbone with that much remaining energy.

Hornady says either 43.4 grains of IMR-4064 (known for consistent accuracy at varying temperatures), or 49.0 grains of IMR-4350 (traditional) will do this using the Winchester WLR primer. Both generate 2/3 the felt recoil of full 3100 fps loads, and don't make a mess of the deer. We can supply our friends with these loads, with cartridge overall length of 3.180", for use in all standard guns. Additionally, with the standard full power 150 grain loads, the 270 can handle the largest moose with good hits, all of which taken together makes the 270 a true "do everything" rifle, short of dangerous game.

How do you feel about all this? Thoughts please.

Update:

Yes! Canadian Whitetails are huge, as are many Mule deer, both deserving the big loads when using a 270. I must confess a fondness for using the 1895 Model Marlin 45-70 when hunting any such areas where Brown bear or other dangerous game are found a lot, and that mentally edited out my specifying the big 270 loads for all the Northern variety of deer species. Sorry 'bout that. Minnesota/ UP Michigan also has the big Whitetails, and I have kin in Michigan with a "resident address" I can operate out of, now that you've got me thinking that way today! Regards, Larry.

Update 2:

Well, even with centering the lungs after waiting for a broadside presentation, both to minimize 'steak loss', the semi-magnum powder room of the 30-06 case is just more explosive energy in full loads than is justified on regular deer from a meat hunter's point of view. Yes, the trophy of a lifetime presented from the rear, makes many glad they had a 180 grain 30-06 moose load to (1) collect the trophy and (2) make orphans grimace at the taste of bile and gut juice in the donated venison. The 150 grain 270 load suffices as a substitute for that, with nearly the same impressive destruction. Frankly, on regular deer I usually either handgun hunt or use a 243/ 100 grain Nosler Partition as the premier venison tool on management bucks, which are usually modest sized. I want the "best of breed" to breed.

Update 3:

Randy, despite your claimed credentials, most of what you say simply doesn't track as fact or truth. If you were an actual hunter and not just a loremonger, you would know that well-lung-hit animals seldom get 100 yards. The insistence that a heart hit is the only good hit is common among people who haven't tried for that fairly small target under actual field conditions, or they would know that good shooters can't reliably hit it in the real world, and it is popular lore among non-hunters who mostly talk about hunting rather than do it. Your insistence that downloads aren't safe, well, again that tells me that you aren't experienced at reloading, and only subscribe to popular lore around the gunshop of other talkers. Cartridge overall length specs are tied to SAMMI specs, and are safe in all standard manufactured firearms. Finally, your insistence that because some people are screwups that everyone is, even conservative people would call that a departure from reason. Happy hunting.

Update 4:

It has been pointed out to me that an exception exists for 30-06 shooters who use a very strongly constructed 180 grain "moose-capable" bullet to limit expansion on inappropriately small game for 30-06 use, like most deer. Such bullets can fail to expand on a lung hit, leaving a tiny hole through the lungs, and the beast staggering for miles. Political use of the semi-magnum 30-06 on mere deer, can be pulled off safely, by downloading it to more balanced specs for the game, at considerably less recoil to aid shooter accuracy! Handloading 47.0 grains of IMR-4064 with any regular 150 grain bullet gets about 2650 fps, delivering 1150 ft-lbs of energy at 300 yards, with cartridge overall length of 3.230", and a Federal 210 primer. I prefer the Nosler Partition bullets for their easy expansion and bone-smashing penetration. Randy might say weigh every single powder charge, and in that I agree.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    Yes the 270 is going the way of the 7X57 Mauser. Good reliable guns that only required some one to have the ability to aim. Now it's rapid fire with ammo that blows holes thru all the meat making the carcase sausage instead of steaks and roasts.

  • 1 decade ago

    I learned to hunt in Alaska where the 270 is not popular.

    I do know many world class hunters where this is the #1 rifle they use while in the lower 48.

    That said - 'tearing up' a deer is all a matter of bullet placement. It's been my experience hunters in the lower 48 would rather take a bad shot than no shot........... and are never fussy about the bullet they use.

    In Alaska I can afford to pass up on a caribou I'm not happy with the shot placement. I can always wait, or, come back the next day and find another. Not so with whitetail - where the nice buck you see today could be the last one you find for the next 7 years in some states. So - I understand the reason for it.

  • 1 decade ago

    Well, it does depend on the size of the deer. Those little dog sized deer down south are .223 sized. Go up into Canada and your factory loads .270 might just be the ticket.

    You're obviously on the mark as any one gun can be used to kill a huge variety of game as long as you use the right load for the right animal.

    Size matters but velocity is everything. If you could get hold of one of NASA'a light gas guns you could see daylight through a Rhino at 300 yards with a .223 bullet traveling 25,000-35,000 feet per second.

    Good Luck!

    Source(s): me
  • randy
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    having been using a .270 for over 30 years, and having taken a large number of mule deer, elk, black bear, hog and antelope with them, I have no idea where you came up with the mistaken idea that anyone would retire a .270 or that it tears up too much meat.

    Anyone who would settle for a rear shot just to harvest a trophy, or anyone who would choose to go for a "lung" shot, which allows an animal to run for miles, and suffer, needs to take up a new hobby, a lung shot is only a little better than a gut shot, in that it doesn't produce the toxins released from the guts. A properly placed hit from many calibers, including the .270 will cleanly and humanely harvest an animal. A poor hit from ANY caliber can result in wasted meat, gut shot animals suffering and lost animals as well. I use the 150 grain sierra BTSP on large mule deer, elk and black bear and drop down to the 130 grain for antelope. A solid heaart shot does not "explosively" destroy meat, and usually drops the animal right in it's tracks.

    I prefer IMR 4831, but I don't share my load data for liability reasons, and because what is a perfectly acceptable pressure in my rifle, my cause problems in another. Always use the loads from a loading manual, start with the lower loads, and work up for accuracy without going over the safe load data. Also, as for "sharing" your reloads with your friends, it is foolish on their part if they accept them. Never shoot someone elses reloads. You may be perfectly capable as a reloader, but one mistake, and they will own you in civil court. Also, the throat varies from rifle to rifle, even with consecutive serial numbers. One that fits the throat of your rifle, may be too long in another, which will cause the bullet to be set back as the bolt closes, raising the chamber pressure. If you made a mistake and threw the powder charge, and did not weigh it exactly, you could have added a tad too much powder. Or maybe you added a magnum primer by mistake, which increases the pressure by up to 17%, Couple this with the deeper set bullet, and again, they now own you in civil court. Not to mention the fact that accuracy will vary from rifle to rifle as well.

    I do agree with you that the .270 is too light for dangerous game, with the clarification that game like leopard has been taken with it. But I would not use it on the big brown or grizzly bears etc.

    so, I'm glad you choose the .270, as it is an excellent cartridge, but I don't agree with to much else on your "question".

    shoot safe

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