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judomofo asked in SportsMartial Arts · 1 decade ago

Which techniques in your art help with this?

First I want to apologize, in a previous answer on this sort of question I did not suggest this action.

What to do during a dog attack... apparently the "street ineffective" BJJ does work against dog attacks...

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/37069754....

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/37069754....

Apparently the Mata Leao, aka. Mata Leon, aka Rear Naked Choke... does work against pitbulls...

So my question, is which technique from your "made for the street" art deals with dogs attacks?

<Look through my previous answer on this question: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArpkO... I wouldn't suggest trying this, apparently I am wrong.

My bad Yahoo community... what would you do?

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Okay, Judomofo, you gave good advice in your previous answer.

    I'm glad the boy wasn't hurt.

    For those that said run. You are sadly mistaken. When you run from a dog you have given up your dominant position. In addition to that it is instinctive for a dog to chase its prey. You can't outrun most dogs. If that dog has a temperament that it is an alpha dog you will be in a lot of trouble.

    The article doesn't state the temperament of the dog. I doubt if it has been tested. He was lucky he didn't get hurt. It worked because he was able to gain control of the dogs neck and that is one thing that kept him from being bit.

    In our martial arts training we have taught methods of surviving a dog attack. Our training was meant to work on people.

    But because I have worked with a lot of dogs I have come to understand things concerning dogs. What will allow you t survive an attack would be know what a dog does instinctively. Much of what you stated in your previous answer cover this. I have owned and bred dogs. My most recent breeds are Rotts, American Bulldogs. My next breed I hope will be the Presa. All of these dog are normally great dogs for Shutzhund, iron dog, protection and working dog type of work. They all have the temperament to be the alpha dog. Kicking, hitting and even mace will often cause the dog to more driven in their attack. You have got to get control of the dog and maintain it. I usually don' share this but since you already did. The first thing you want to do is offer the dog something to bite. You said your arm. I prefer my coat or something else for them to bite. The arm I will give as a last option. The dog's natural instinct was cause them to bite what is immediately in front of their mouth.

    Edit:

    Notice the dog did not get choked out. But the boy did maintain control of he dogs head. I don't think he would have been able to do this with a larger breed or a trained dog. This dog was a mutt. It was grabbed from behind. It didn't have a chance to defend itself. It may not have even bee in the dog to put up much of a fight. I've seen dogs that will not put up a fight.

    Source(s): Martial Arts since 1982 Black Belt in Shorin Ryu Black Belt in Jujitsu Brown Belt in Judo
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Sorry, didn't read your answer yet, judo.

    Running away is the wrong thing to do. NEVER run away.

    I have actually used that choke against an attacking dog as well.

    Also, a good toe kick to the throat has worked well for me.

    Once, I was bitten in the hand where my entire hand was in the dog's mouth. I rapidly jammed my hand down it's throat and grabbed the lower jaw pinching the tongue through the mouth and the bottom outside with my free hand.

    I have also used a good Shote strike to the snout and that's a great one.

    I have been attacked several times. By a pack of dogs in the woods, by a Doberman, a Husky, a few muts, and two black labs.

  • 1 decade ago

    I would do the same thing I have done before. I turn around real quick and attempt to punt the dogs head off and pull out a pocket knife keeping my left hand out in front and my knife hand back so he grabs the left had first.

    I have not actually been attacked but I have had dogs run at me and I think if I had run I would have been attacked. I just stand there and stare at them until they either get called off or give up on the whole alpha male thing.

    I love midnight walks so this thing has happened a few times. Thankfully I have never once actually had a dog stick with the idea of attacking me because I do not actually know what would happen.

  • idai
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    Hi there

    I would some how take the dogs balance until the dog was on his back and tickle its belly repeatedly unitl its back leg couldnt stop riggling!

    Depends big dogs or the paris hilton kind. There are various ways most techniques come from the military not BJJ unless gracie had a german shepard fetish i dont know about?

    I like zenlifes answer! Hes going to give the dog a new hair style! ;-)

    Sorry for the silly answer just felt like letting my hair down!

    The wishbone, choke, rabbit punch would all work well. Better for you if you could cover your arms with something first! Even better strangle the bugger with you jacket!

    Take it your not a fan of mans best friend then? lol

    I cant see the triangle choke working somehow? Dogs tend to like playing fetch with Balls! lol

    Best wishes

    idai

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  • 1 decade ago

    For a good martial artist, a single dog shouldn't be too much of a problem. A big dog is a very strong animal, but they only have one weapon (the bite) and of course they aren't very smart compared to a person.

    You'd want some wrestling or judo or jujitsu to deal with a dog. Get down to it's level, avoid the bite, and pin the sucker. Then do as you will. Pummel it until it wants to run away, or just pick it up and throw it at something if you're strong enough. And yeah, you could probably choke one out if you get the position. I think Rickson Gracie did that once.

    Mas Oyama used karate to break dogs necks with a single blow. Then again, he also killed bulls with a single blow. Not a whole lot of Mas Oyamas out there, now or ever.

  • 1 decade ago

    In one of Loren Christiansen's books, he devotes an entire chapter to countering dog attacks. Grabbing the scruff of the neck is an option, as is striking the nose or stomping the paws. Most animals will bite the first thing presented to them, so I'd probably wrap my forearm in something and use it as a sort of shield. Conceivably it shouldn't be hard to wrestle a dog to the ground. Considering their social order, I'd think that their attitude might chance once you had put them on their back and established a good top position.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I have a 110lbs Akita and a Dogue De Bodeaux x Rottie. Believe me they would destroy most human beings. Some say you only have to stay away from the Teeth/bite. That is crazy as fighting dogs attack on many angles. I think even the most able fighter would struggle againt an Akita in attack mode.

  • 1 decade ago

    I think the boy is very brave, and very lucky.

    As for what I would do? What about the infamous groin shot and eye gouge?

    Just kidding.

    My own dog Miley, a Shepherd/Retriever mix, while not vicious, would not have been effected by this. You see, Miley is a black belt in BJJ herself and she is a master of the rubber guard. I have gotten her in full mount many times, but she can always squirm out and get back to rubber guard, then push off and escape. All of my previous pets have been strikers, but Miley is a born grappler. She is somewhat vulnerable to an Aikido take down I know where I grab both of her front paws, then use leverage to flip her on to her side, but she recovers quickly.

    I think I would just have to rely on pure brute force and violence.

    :0)

    James

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I suggest to keep moving and to repeatedly strike down on his muzzle and his eyes. Kicking could be one of your safest weapons here.

    I don't agree with some of the notions of getting to the dog's level. Not only does that show the dog that you are willing to submit to him, you are also giving it more of a chance to win. The dog has more a chance of pining you (since you will most likely be attacked by a large dog since you are worried about your life) and snaping at your neck.

    Dogs are not stupid. Humans ARE smarter, but dogs always perform their best under the stress of a fight or they don't fight at all--humans don't. A dog isn't going to attack you without trying it best to hurt you for one reason or another. Animals don't do half-hearted things when attempting something as extreme as attacking a random human for no reason.

    Source(s): 10 years martial arts and a lover of dogs :P
  • 1 decade ago

    chokes are good but I was always taught in dog behavior school that if you have to get a dog off some one is to pull the jaws apart the way a dogs jaws are made makes that they have plenty of muscle on the inside of the jaw but no strength at the endings due to their long jaws

    you can easily pull them apart with your hands and even cause serious damage to the animal without too much force or if you are bitten hit them on the nose it's the most sensitive place and will usually cause the dog to desist whatever he was doing

    Source(s): police dog instructor
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