Why are the Catholics so timid about exposing Vatican II?

it because of the brainwashing that they and other religions put their followers through, they are not timid just frightened their god will punish them in the "afterlife" as that's whats drummed into them from childhood.

1) Why are the Catholics so timid about exposing Vatican II?

I've never noticed that specific timidity.

2) Was Vatican II a “revolt?” Was it the “Second Reformation?”

It was certainly "reforming" and, in SOME ways, "revolutionary". Obviously, though, it was very unlike the Protestant Reformation, which primarily involves not change within the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), but schism from the RCC. Perhaps you are thinking of the counter-reformation? That is clearly much more similar to Vatican II than was the Protestant Reformation.

3) Any informed Catholic who lived before V-2 knows that he has a new religion. He disconnects the past.

That's just silly. Vatican II changed much in the way of the religious service, but how much RCC doctrine actually changed? (Note: I see you know). The RCCs who were adults in the 1950s know that they believe the same things now that they did 'way back in the 50s. Religious services have changed, but very little (none) in the way of doctrine.

4) Canon law states a council can ONLY be called to define Doctrine

Really? Where? I didn't know that...

Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com/selector_rc.html

I have dedicated hours to the study of the development of Dogma in the history of the early church, and although I am a post V-II child, I see no "disconnect" of which you speak. Perhaps you could follow up with an edit listing the particular "heresy" you perceive. Does this revolve around the Mass being read in the vernacular?

In the end of course the Church on earth will always have the power to "bind and loose" and the doctrines presented by the magisterium have certainly developed and changed over time. V-II notwithstanding.

The Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, or Vatican II, was the twenty-first Ecumenical Council of the Roman Catholic Church. It opened under Pope John XXIII in 1962 and closed under Pope Paul VI in 1965. At least four future pontiffs took part in the council's opening session: Cardinal Giovanni Battista Montini, who on succeeding Pope John XXIII took the name of Paul VI; Bishop Albino Luciani, the future Pope John Paul I; Bishop Karol Wojtyła, who became Pope John Paul II; and 35-year-old Father Joseph Ratzinger, present as a theological consultant, who more than forty years later became Pope Benedict XVI.

Let's see: Convened by a validly elected pope, attended by duly ordained bishops from around the world, invoking the Holy Spirit before every session. Please explain exactly how the Second Vatican Council was a "revolt" or "heresy"? Or perhaps you are confusing Tradition with nostalgia?

The road to Vatican II was actually paved by that stodgy old traditionalist Pius XII, starting with the encyclical "Divino Afflante Spiritu". The Council brought a hoary old fossil back to spiritual life. And ever since its closing, worshippers of superficial traditions have been trying to put the Church back into a coma.

There are Catholics in full communion with the Pope and the Catholic Church and there are "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose what they want to believe and practice. A couple of examples are "liberal Catholics" who are pro-abortion or "conservative or traditional Catholics" who refuse to accept the teachings of Vatican II.

The term "Cafeteria Christians" refers to people who view Christianity like a cafeteria where one picks and chooses only those beliefs that appeal to them and reject a genuine interpretation of Christian doctrine and the teachings of Jesus.

The term "Cafeteria Catholics" is similar. It is used to describe people who dissent from certain teachings of the Catholic Church while maintaining an outward identity as Catholics.

In Los Angeles in 1987, Pope John Paul II said: "It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a "good Catholic," and poses no obstacle to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere."

Heresy is the obstinate denial after Baptism of a truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.

"Cafeteria Catholics" in denial of certain truths are in danger of committing heresy.

With love in Christ.

I thought Vatican 11 was about the catholic modernist movement. In 1875 a Baron Rey co-founded the Societe de l'Orient Latin (Society of the Latin - or Frankish - Middle East). Based in Geneva, this society devoted itself to ambitious archaeological projects. It also published its own magazine, the Revue de l'Orient Latin. Rey's research was typical of a new form of historical scholarship appearing in Europe at the time, most prominently in Germany, which constituted an extremely serious threat to the church (catholic). The dissemination of Darwinian thought and agnosticism had already produced a "crisis of faith" in the late nineteenth century, and the new scholarship magnified the crisis. In the past, historical research had been, for the most part, an unreliable affair, resting on highly tenuous foundations - on legend and tradition, on personal memoirs, on exaggerations promulgated for the sake of one or another cause. Only in the nineteenth century did German scholars begin introducing the rigorous, meticulous techniques that are now accepted as commonplace, the stock in trade of any responsible historian. - The Catholic Modernist Movement arose in responce to this new challenge. Its original objective was to produce a generation of ecclesiastical experts trained in the German tradition, who could defend the literal truth of Scripture with all the heavy ordnance of critical scholarship. As it transpired however, the plan backfired. The more the Church sought to equip its younger clerics with the tools for combat in the modern polemical world, the more those same clerics began to desert the cause for which they had been recruited. The Church rested on unquestioning acceptance of dogma, and was aware that the Bible itself could not withstand such critical scrutiny.

Pope John XX111 (1958 - 63 ) attempted to reform the church when he convened the Second Vatican Council (also called Vatican 11). With the death of John XX111 the movement collapsed.

Paul V1 halted all theological initiatives and reversed all progress on family planning.

John Paul 1 lasted only a few months.

John Paul 11 took the throne and began systematically to oppress all creative thought in the Catholic community.

Finally the mantle fell on Benedict XV1 who had been John Paul 11's chief enforcer of orthodoxy. The former Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger was the power behind the destruction of that band of Catholic scholars - Hans King, Edward Schillebeeckx, Charles Curran, Leonardo Boff and Matthew Fox, those that had made the second Vatican counsil possible in the first place.

you could view the quote on-line on the vatican internet site that's from Lumen Gentium paragraph sixty 5. in spite of the undeniable fact that, later variations of the english translations have changed the wording from "whilst SHE IS the undertaking OF PREACHING AND WORSHIP" to "whilst SHE IS the undertaking OF PREACHING AND VENERATION". The above quote is considered as a mistake interior the english translation of the unique latin textual content cloth as evidenced by applying its modification in later variations. i used to be a catholic and can argue that in case you look on the practises of the Catholic church it style of feels they're worshiping Mary. It quite relies upon the way you define worship. easily, in its professional coaching the Catholic church is amazingly sparkling to entice a line between worship for God and veneration for Mary. with the objective to be thoroughly sparkling - Catholics don't have faith that Catholics worship Mary yet maximum Protestants have faith that Catholics worship Mary.

Vatican II was the best thing that happened to the Catholic Church in well over a thousand years. It opened the windows of the church and let in some fresh air. It allowed the people to be part of the church, and not just ignorant sheep. I'm no longer a Catholic, but Pope John XXIII was a saint in my book.

Infallibility, if you include the five heresies declared such early in the Church years, has only been invoked or had the conditions of its invocation met seven times.

Five occurred before 500AD, two occured within the past 100 years.

Please identify one teaching of Vatican II which violates these seven invocations of infallibility or Biblical teachings.

Hello,

The big thing Vatican II did was to finally say that the Reformation was as much the fault of the Roman Catholic Church as it was that of Luther and his buddies and it would be great to open up, have more dialogue and try to eventually being Christians together as one body.

Also antisemitism had no place in Christianity and hence forth was a wrong and very serious sin.

I see nothing to have to defend about Vatican II.

Cheers,

Michael Kelly