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Where does this idea of British "native" come from...?
I'm interested in finding out where nationalists believe their stock of "Indigenous" British compatriots come from?
Hell, the country is descended from hundreds of Celtic, Roman, Norman and Germanic tribes, just to name a few!
Please, enlighten me.
A thousand years of history automatically renders one "worthy of blood" ?
Please...this BNP diatribe would be funny if they weren't given coverage by the mass media.
Mr McBride, that's my point exactly. I abhor those who claim to have "pure blood" or some such. Nations are nothing more than imagined communities, my question was aimed at the many nationalists who inhabit YA :-)
Mr. McBride.
I trust you've never encountered Benedict Anderson's "Imagined Communities". The nation state was indeed conceived by the Treaty of Westphalia - I didn't even need a website link to know this. What I am referring to is the nation as a cultural entity. The state is simply a political element which centralises all the necessary autonomous administrations. See the French republic for a perfect example of this in action.
As for the previous pure blood/indigenous mix-up...that's a semantic mistake on my part which I trust you'll forgive. Judging by your attitude, I don't expect that........boo-hoo.
Mr. McBride -
I can't spend every waking hour on here, so I apologise for the delay. I'm taking fault for not wording the question correctly - it's aimed at the "pure blood" line of thought which is endemic in many hardcore nationalists. As Zapata pointed out, there is no notion of "pure blood". What makes your blood different from that of a Luo tribesman in Kenya?
I can't remember the name of the other guy, but the term 'imagined communities' is not something which I fabricated and take great joy in, but a piece of academic writing which is well known within nation, language and identity circles. The fact that nobody has touched upon this fact leads me to believe that I'm a lone dog barking down the wrong alley.
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
OK - firstly I'd just like to add some corrections to the droolings of the posters that lurched before me.
Firstly - Alter_Ego, the term Anglo-Saxon is an elision of the terms "Angle" and "Saxon", both tribes from northern Germany who, along with the Jutes and the Danes, began to colonise Britain around the time of the Roman withdrawal. Hence they came after the Romans and the "indigenous Celts". I use the term "Celt" loosely - it's a lazy term to describe a group of people too culturally diverse and tribal to be considered politically or ethnically homogeneous (Candy_pops take note please). Also, JSmith - read the BBC charter before you spout off about a venerable broadcasting institution (http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/purpose/accountable.shtm... Boogreenboo - someone as articulate as yourself is surely aware that there's archaeological evidence placing humans all over the globe, farming and developing early civilisation from as far back as 8000 BC
Genetically there is no such thing as a distinctive Briton, because "Briton" itself just means "Someone from the British Isles". Genetically we are 98% chimpanzee, so any difference in our chromosomes between humans is going to be minuscule. Nationality is a social construct that we use to define ourselves, it is a fluid thing. 600 years ago, everyone was a staunch Catholic, it was part of our cultural heritage. 2000 years ago, we were pantheists who worshipped the multiple gods of the Iron age inhabitants and revered our druid priests. To say that there is a set model of what is "British" and what is not is a fallacy - it assumes that Britishness is unchanging and fixed, when we can see that our language, laws, politics, religion, economic system and culture has varied wildly over the past 2000 years. Being British is about good citizenship, respecting the laws of the land and partaking in civil society to help this nation change for the better, not who's genetic material has been here longest.
- 5 years ago
Dress like a character on Gilligan's Island or else Tom Hanks in Castaway. A friend's girlfriend once went as a shark attack victim for Halloween. She wore ripped-up clothing and then jumped in the shower. The downside was that was freezing all night.
- rogerglynLv 61 decade ago
The true native is the group that came over after the ice age retreat and got stuck here.
All of the rest are incomers.
Maybe the Celts of Cymru have a good stake?
- knownoutLv 71 decade ago
Yes but all the races , tribes, nations that subscribed to what is now termed British were basically white cau casian races , Not black, arab, asian or any of those ,, So British is white caucasian OK .. That is what is meant .I think .. The descendants of the peoples mentioned are from 800 or more years ago ,
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
From most advanced races in Europe and the North where the whites were pure and developed.
Vikings who eventually became the Norse people were more developed than we were so they added their blood to our stock and made us stronger.
Only under the labour party have we been polluted by inferior bloodlines from uncivilised and underdeveloped people who have nothing to offer us other than scummy yellow skin and orange curly hair, who hate us.
- The NucleusLv 51 decade ago
As McBride says a thousand years of history(at least) and no amount to reverse racism and class hatred from the likes of Harry Lime can change that.
I am sure that the phrase 'imagined communities' is a great joy to you but what would you wish to replace the imagined community' of Britain with? A multicultural society which manages to exist in harmony in spite of having no real shared values or culture. That takes a greater sense of imagination than many could muster.
Or 'imagine' the disaster of the Balkans; its easy if you try.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
LOl - The "indigenous Briton" is a fictitious creature worshipped mainly by drooling, knuckle-dragging BNP types.
It is drawn mainly from the Nazi ideal of a blue-eyed, pale-skinned blonde phenotype developed through a programme of in-breeding between close relatives.
- 1 decade ago
The BNP is a racist organisation, unfortunately they seem to flourish during periods of economic recession, as they did in 1930's Germany. Basically, it's time people stopped judging others on where they came from and what colour their skin is and instead look at what people have to offer and what they contribute. All this "nationalistic" stuff can be very dangerous.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I cannot enlighten you because you are correct.
There are only three races known to mankind which are the caucaz*zoid, the Ne*gr*oid and the mongol*oid. Everything else is a mixture such as the American indian which is Asian in their background profile. The brits are a mixture just like the Russians and the Jews and the Americans...........etc.
There is no pure breed any longer and the last time we saw pure breeds were at the tower of Babel 6,000 years ago before God separated the races on one day at one time.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
White British Native. Welsh,Scot,Irish and English.