R&P Poll: name a song that you have never heard on the radio?

I'm sad to hear about your lost jukebox... if I see it around, you'll be the first to know.

One of the most compelling arguments (for me) Napster made when the RIAA came after them regarding the illegal sharing of music on the internet was that corporate radio had killed it as a music discovery device. Instead, the corporate structure only allowed for the same, safe things to be played on there. Ad money became the only reason for owning and operating a radio station. Which is why the same song -- "Sex and Candy" -- that would air on weekends during high school on alt rock stations can still be heard on weekends on Modern Corporate Rock Radio.

Its why when a new Justin Timberlake song premieres, you can hear it every 15 minutes.

This is the new structure of radio. Everyone knows Justin Timberlake. No one is offended by Justin Timberlake. play it again, DJ. He makes funny viral videos and safe Michael Jackson-esque pop..... play him to death, DJ.

Napster stated that in this climate -- they could be the new radio. The RIAA would just need to find a way to capitalize on it. The problem being that -- Napster was more like pirate radio. Millions of users, none of them having a license to be sharing these songs over broadband cables. The likening breaks down pretty quickly for a record exec because its "new". They like their old model.... the old model got them their marble desk, their huge office over looking the city, and their beautiful wife. This new model means change. It means coming up with a new model, and it also means not knowing where your money is going to be coming for right away.

This inability to change is killing record companies slowly. There are books written on the subject (one just came out this summer, that I hope to pick up in the next month or so acting as an oral history of the music industry from the death of disco night to today).

Its hard to say whether Napster's argument works because, well..... when they got complicit, everyone stopped caring about Napster. Seriously, does anyone here actually use Napster?

anyone?

anyone at all?

iTunes doesn't seem much better. I've only bought a couple of jazz albums through there, which probably accounts for a good amount of the jazz albums ever sold on iTunes. Ornette Coleman's popularity spiked that week 4 summers ago when I bought three of his albums via iTunes.

Someone needs to come up with a new model... could be me, could be you.... but for now, we're stuck with what we've got.

I have no issues with embedding being disabled on some songs.... them being torn down completely is more bothersome. Recent news regarding the banding together of the RIAA to form a beast that would force ISPs to add a licensing fee to your internet connection. This is regardless of whether you actually share any music files over the internet. The idea being that you do.... everyone does... we're all guilty, dirty, filthy mongrels. If you pay this fee... they don't come down on you. No litigation. Here's your $20 a month get out of jail free card.

Here's a link:

http://www.eff.org/

they fight for your internet civil rights (which may not exist.... thanks founding fathers for all your foresight, but all the foresight in the world never could have had you envision the internet).

Edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5S88vVTDS0

I never heard this on the radio -- could have made a radio station outside of my clear channel owned airwaves.

It has a great pop hook, a nice progression, and could have had some legs (in my opinion) if someone had given it a chance.

I blew Simone's mind... and then I didn't.... maybe it was just a dream

I've actually never much punk songs on the radio until last Saturday

http://www.987fm.com/pages/completecontrol.html

I've never heard Velvet Revolver, Audioslave, The Strokes, a lot of not very popular grunge bands, Soundgarden, non-emo AFI, songs by Alice in Chains that isn't Man in the Box, any type of metal heavier than Enter Sandman by Metallica, and a lot of other artist before on the radio.

It really sucks that they don't play a lot of bands. It sucks even more that they sometimes don't even have the songs on YouTube. Seriously, how do record companies expect people to discover or appreciate their artists without being able to hear their songs? At least independent labels are smart enough to give their artists some light and sometimes even free downloadable full sample. There's actually some bands that I gave up on because I'm never able to hear their music unless I buy the album, but the problem is that I don't know if I like the album or not so I just say no to it. On the other hand, I feel like the independent bands are nice enough to give me free music that I end up buying something from them.

Nowadays, the only ways to discover new good artist are through Guitar Hero and Rock Band, friends, looking at bands signed onto independent labels, watching music videos on Yahoo!Music (I used to do that before quality started to go lower), custom radio stations of Yahoo!Music that had unlimited skips (the quality was bad anyways and now they took it away), and barely any more things because it's so limited now. To me, it's not worth it paying radio fees or to just listen to a song I know that I'm going to get bored really soon. The best thing to do is to have music to be cheaper (or at least downloads to be cheaper), not let people be able to rip audio off of YouTube and such (not like it's ever in good quality anyways), stricter watching of file sharing programs (which will also lower the amount of mislabeling of songs), and have streaming of songs be free.

Also, there's a bill by the congress that there should be tax on the radio on performance of music to the public, which will make some stations not be able to survive (leaving pretty much only KROQ in the LA area). I'm going to try to find the petition right now or when they talk about it on the radio. It takes them so long to talk about it's so hard to find on the internet. Even half an hour later, it's not working out.

It's been a whole hour, but they're playing Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden for once. They still haven't talked about it. One and a half hours and still no. Awh! I give up! I'll try to post a question about it when I find out.

I found it

http://saveyourradio.org/page.asp?content=startpag...

That is SO true, my friend.

The radio is only really playing music for the popular artists who have tons of money! I say we let the radio be used for the smaller bands, who are still getting big. Instead we play the same sounding music from artists we've all heard enough of.

So I'm gonna pick a song that I really like, that most likely will never be played on the radio :P Partly because of what I said up there, and partly because not that many people like this type of music.

Cauldron - "Chained Up In Chains"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SldtC_f9yI4

Oh and by the way I starred. And answered (duh :P)

i don't care how old this is but i have NEVER heard any song from a video game on the radio! i haevn't even heard songs from classic disney movies on the radio so i have to rely on online radio to hear them! the only songs on the radio r ones by popular singers that the record labels pay the stations to play im so sick of the same 5 songs in a row we need more variety & diversity with music on the radio! we need a non-online radio station dedicated to video games & classic disney music from everything up to the 90's im thinking like radio disney but only for old disney songs but it will never happen! people would rather hear the same old over-rated & popular top 40 songs! i will admit i do like some of the top 40 songs but we need more variety it sucks! this is why online radio exists!

I'm with you let's start the revolution...and yet radio stations wonder why they are beginning to be a sort of "dieing breed." They are told by the top what to play and the people at the top are told by the record companies what to play. It's really sad that something that used to be an "art form" is dead. The day's of the DJ doesn't exist anymore. Sadly this leaves great music left unplayed. Unless it's "top 40" (and we all know what top 40 consist of) it doesn't get any air time. I can't think of a song off the top of my head, but here is a link to the website of my favorite DJ's http://www.981themax.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.dr... These guys are from the "old school" and they know how music should be played and what actual music sounds like.

I was thinking about this the other day. There is one station that I flip by occasionally when I'm in the car that has a segment where they play a popular single by a band and then play a song that is "buried" or not commonly heard. When I first heard about this I thought it was an awesome idea, but when hearing it a few times I discovered that the "buried" track is still a single that was released, but maybe wasn't *quite* as popular. Here's an opportunity for the station to play just ONE song that never gets airtime, that may get a few people to dig deeper into an artist's catalog, and they can't even do *that*.

Anyway, here's a track...LOL.

Rogues - Incubus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjWsaOfv6EY

Radio is a wasteland. It would be easier and much quicker to name the few songs I've heard a hundred times on the radio, like every single released by John Mayer and Shania Twain, than to list the the great singles released by interesting and innovative bands that never get played. When I rarely turn on the radio its to the college stations in my area WPTS(Pitt/a good mix of alot of genres), WMHW(CMU/"modern rock") and WDUQ(Duquesne/a great jazz station) or NPR. So I have retreated to left of the dial and rely on the recommendations of friends and the internet for exposure to new music. A single I have never heard on any radio station is ....."Wishful Thinking" by The Ditty Bops. And yes, the video has been pulled off of You Tube.

I could go into a new rant about the resistance of radio stations to play anything but singles or the same few popular favorites of bands instead of dusting off fantastic album cuts moldering in the dark of obscurity.

RE-EDIT: It wasn't a dream. This is confirmation that Waves did blow my mind and it wasn't the first time.

My local radio stations are a total disaster.They only play top 40 stuff the whole day long.I don't even listen to the radio.I prefer to choose my own music instead of a "DJ" doing it.That's another thing.Do actual DJ's actually still exist.Because the current ones might as well just put there top 40 playlist on shuffle and go do something else.I don't know if it's the same in the US.

I agree with you 100% regarding the Radio stations of today. In the past radio stations weren't part of a big corporation like they are now. Back in the day we had KNAC Pure Rock and they were awesome. They were the first radio station to play Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, etc. If it was Metal they played it. Unfortunately they wound up being sold and are now a mexican radio station.

Radio stations are now designed to make money. They make money via their advertisers so they will only play what is generic and "The it " bands in order to keep, or increase their ratings.

Sirius satalite radio is funded by its listeners so advertising dollars isnt an issue

Well, anything off this cd, last set of the night. Brendan Loughery is just awesome and the band is great as well. great song writing, voice, and stage presence. You should see them live. Genuine Irish Folk Rock Music.

You can have a listen to samples of their music at

http://www.bluestackmusic.com/

Again the cd is called last set of the night

Natives

Boys of the Old Brigade

Stumpy's Bray

Barry's Reel~ live

Green Fields of France

Fields of Athenry

Donegal Danny

Please Don't Die Willie Nelson *

Back Home in Derry

Come Out Ye Black and Tans

Green and Red of Mayo~ live

Grace

On the One Road

Go On Home British Soldiers*

Give It Back/A Soldier's Song

the * are a couple of my faves but, the whole cd is great.

Bluestack needs to be heard on the radio. For now, they're just heard by their following of fans. They tour throughout Illinois and sometimes out of state in New York. Mainly in and around Chicago, IL area.

Again check out the web site http://www.bluestackmusic.com/ if you would like to listen. Brendan Loughery is the main songwriter as well as he plays guitar and sings main vocals. I hope you take the time to have a listen to the group Bluestack! Take care Punch! and everyone else in R&P family.