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Creationists, would you like to know why scientists reject Creationism/ID as a scientific theory?
A simple procedure can be used to determine whether or not a hypothesis or conjecture is scientific.
"What would be an example of something that, if observed, would contradict the hypothesis?"
If this question cannot be answered, then the conjecture is not scientific.
This is known as falsafiability.
In addition, a good test of a theory is that it is able to make predictions about some future event. For example, Einstein's ideas about relativity predicted specific things that would be observed during an eclipse. When the eclipse came, the predictions were confirmed, something which strongly supported his theory.
Creationism is not falsifiable as its proponents base the theory on a human account (their particular holy text) which provides accounts of creation and other events that cannot be tested by observation or experiment.
This is one of the primary characteristics of pseudoscience. No matter what evidence is presented, there is no way that creationism can be contradicted because of the nature of the "theory."
Even when evolution in action is observed, creationists refuse to allow it to alter their ideas. Since no observation will contradict creationism, it is not science.
If no matter what the evidence, you can say something like "God is trying to trick us to test our faith" or, "this is all part of a grand conspiracy of liberal deceit" or, "the devil placed that evidence there to mislead us" then creationism can never be proven incorrect.
If it's not falsifiable, it's not legitimate science.
Just because a theory is falsifiable, it doesn't mean that it ever will be falsified, as many anti-evolutionists seem to believe is inevitable for evolution.
Remember, gravity is a theory. Also, theory is not the opposite of "fact." Many "theories" like evolution are so well supported that scientists can build off them as if they were facts. Even though details about exactly the way evolution occurred are debated, the fact that evolution occurs is universally accepted by legitmate scientists working in the relevant feilds.
Despite this fact, open-minded scientists would willingly reconsider evolution if suddenly, observations seemed to contradict its principles and seemed to falsify the idea.
The fact that his has not happened in over 150 years of trying by anti-evolutionists is compelling in and of itself.
Willingness to reexamine facts objectively is the difference between a scientist and a psuedoscientist.
Try as you may, you Creationists/IDers have utterly failed to disprove evolution. Oh, you've come up with some fancy ideas, written some nice books, and used semantics like no other. But you've yet to present any empirical, falsifiable scientific evidence against evolution by darwinian natural selection.
Do you understand why science rejects your "theory" now?
Oh, and please remember, Evolution has NOTHING to do with the Big Bang or the origin of life.
Hulk, do you reject all inferences, or just the ones that disagree with your dogma?
We can "observe" evolution indirectly through the fossil record and the science of genetics. These observations "prove" that evolution has occurred.
This: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/08...
is just one observation that "proves" evolution is occurring.
The fact that it occurs on it's own provides millions of "repeat" examples, which makes it repeatable.
I think you need to do a bit more research as to what those terms mean.
Also, how do you make the leap from "evolution is untrue" to "omnipotant creator did it"?
I'd like to see a link to the legitimate, scientifically sound evidence for that hypothesis, please.
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- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
You are wrong about creationism not being falsifiable. The basic assumption is not falsifiable: i.e., there is a creator god. However, they make statements based on the Bible that are falsifiable.
It can be pretty well proven that creation did not occur 6,000 years ago. It can also be proven that there was no world-wide flood about 4300 years ago.
But, of course, creationists will ignore any evidence that disproves what they believe.
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@Questioner gets his information from creationist web sites, which are notorious for presenting misinformation about evolution.
Karl Popper changed his mind about the falsifiability of evolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper#Issue_of_...
Evolution is falsifiable. As one scientist said, all you would need to do to falsify evolution is to find a fossil rabbit in Cambrian strata.
If you really understand what evolution is about and know anything about the fossil record, you will understand what that scientist means.
You also said Darwinism never predicted anything. That is totally false. Numerous predictions have been made on the basis of evolutionary theory and have been verified.
Here's an example. When it was learned during the last century that humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes but the great apes have 24 pairs, evolutionary scientists predicted that the difference was the result of the fusion of two of the ancestral chromosomes in the human line from the common ancestor. That prediction has been verified.
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
And there are numerous others, but you won't find them on creationist web sites.
Also, Michael G. Houts is a mechanical engineer, which gives him no credentials to comment about the validity of evolution, particularly since he is a creationist.
Though Don Batten has a degree in plant physiology, he is also a creationist, so his view on evolution is colored by his religious beliefs.
- GuestLv 41 decade ago
Christians ought better to be employed in the good news of
our Creator ...stepping into our very shoes rather than setting up a laboratory to prove Himself or draw evolutionary diagrams,.He actually identified with our real concerns and problems.Very few people care about contemplating their navel, more about their own happiness , safety and destiny. If He had told us we were the product of chance and probability I don't think that would have answered our deepest needs , do you?
Who tries to disprove evolution? Certainly the majority must accept a proven capacity for mutation within species ,otherwise they would become extinct under environmental change.
Even though I and many more sensible people including the majority of scientists are not persuaded about "Genetic Evolution" that doesn't totally discount popular theory or opinion. Darwin and the neo Darwinists of today simply have had an impossible problem with the complete dearth of inter species proof.So to project a fraction of human of experimentation onto a multi billion year canvass of their own invention seems a giant step of Faith in their own devices.
Without trawling through the whole of your red herrings (sic) I think if we spent more time reading about the incredible correlation between Scriptural revelation and the course of history you would have proof enough that everything ,including the whole cosmos is moving inexorably according to a predetermined climax.
Let us therefore concentrate on the only burning issue of the day:-
Not the " Big Bang" of the past but the glorious " Big Bang" not so far away from us. Maybe black or white hole, what difference?
Source(s): Do take a few minutes to read New Testament ( Peter) to get a grip of this.There are so many other cross references panning generations that we have no room here. You have the opportunity this very minute of getting your priorities right and facing the challenge of the here and now rather than endless argument over the origin of man and beast. Have a good day ! - MitchillioLv 41 decade ago
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Am I the only one who gets the feeling creationists have yet to determine the difference between evolution in science and evolution in pokemon?
- raisemeupLv 51 decade ago
Thank you for making the case that evolution is NOT legitimate science since evolution is NOT falsifiable. We have seen over and over again evidence which ought to have falsified evolution but evolutionists continue in their beliefs despite the evidence. Evolution does NOT fall under the purview of the scientific method because it is merely speculation about past events which are not observable, repeatable or measurable. Evolution is based completely on speculations which have NEVER been observed such as the big bang, abiogenesis, fossil transitions from one kind of life to another, beneficial information gaining mutations and observed changes from one kind of creature to another. Evolution is therefore only a religious/philosophical belief inferior to creation science which is based on an actual eye-witness account of our history.
By the way, read Questioner's answer a couple of times since it is an excellent response.
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- TheraponLv 41 decade ago
Straw man fallacy.
Your confusing Creationism with Intelligent Design. I'm not a Christian so don't believe in the Bible or Creationism. I'm a Deist so believe in Intelligent Design.
ID is falisifiable.
The facts of biological variation and development is one thing, the theory of evolution is another.
Gravity is a fact and a theory.
ID predicts you will never find transitional species, oh look you haven't!
Source(s): http://deist.com/ http://www.uncommondescent.com/ - QuestionerLv 71 decade ago
People often claim: “Evolution is just as substantiated as the theory of gravity,” and they like to play on that word “theory.” But, everyone has observed an object falling at 9.8 meters per second squared. On the other hand, no one has observed life come from non-life, or functional, complex design come from non-intelligence. You are failing to differentiate between operational science (such as gravity) and historical science (interpreting evidence from the past). And, by the way, gravity as a scientific concept (an attractive force between two masses) was discovered by Sir Isaac Newton who just so happened to be a creationist.
You said, "Evolution has NOTHING to do with the Big Bang or the origin of life." Then you need to differentiate between cosmic evolution, chemical evolution, and biological evolution. Many people like to ignore it or say it doesn’t count, but before you can invoke natural selection, you need an organism that can acquire food, make energy, and reproduce itself. Abiogenesis (or sometimes called chemical evolution) is very pertinent.
Funny, but a lot of what you said about creationism is what we say about evolutionsim. The general theory of evolution is so “plastic” that it can be expanded to fit any data. Even data that is exactly the opposite of what has been used in the past to teach evolution is twisted as new “proof” of evolution. Just look at the Scopes trial. Ironically, the very arguments used in Darrow’s biology lesson to convince everyone that evolution is true have virtually all been discredited and thrown out by evolutionists themselves. Since 1859 the theory of evolution has encountered a myriad of surprises and adjustments. What scientists believe about the evidence frequently changes.
As Dr. Michael G. Houts has said, “This illustrates another key (non-scientific) feature of the theory of evolution. The theory is constructed in such a way that no matter what the evidence, evolutionists can claim it supports their religion. If a bird is brightly colored, it evolved vivid feathers to attract a mate. If a bird’s plumage is drab, it evolved that drabness to provide camouflage. If similar structures are derived from similar gene sequences, it is because the two species share a common ancestor. If similar structures occur in species that are genetically quite different, it is because of ‘convergent evolution.’ No matter what the evidence, in the eye of the believer, evolution is true. One criterion for determining if a theory is scientific is if it is falsifiable. In other words, the theory must be constructed in a way that an experiment could be devised to prove it false. In the discussion of similarities between organisms, the theory of evolution is purposely constructed so that no experiment can prove it false.”
And as Dr. Don Batten said, “...Darwinism never predicted anything, it was modified to accommodate the observations. In fact, because Darwinism is so malleable as to accommodate almost any conceivable observation, science philosopher Karl Popper proclaimed that it was not falsifiable, and therefore not a proper scientific theory in that sense.”
"God is trying to trick us to test our faith" is a straw man and usually only said by trolls. I have never heard it in real life and I am around Christians all the time. If you really want to know what we believe and how we argue, you need to go to websites like these:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
And here is a brief overview of the scientific case for ID: http://www.arn.org/docs/positivecasefordesign.pdf
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Here is our response to your lizard story:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/06/0...
Creationists believe in natural selection and even “speciation.” Natural selection is a logical process that anyone can observe and it was actually a Creationist named Edward Blyth who first wrote about it. Blyth published some articles describing the process of natural selection in The Magazine of Natural History between 1835 and 37—over 22 years before Darwin published his book (he just didn’t come to the same conclusions as Darwin). I believe Dr. Terry Mortenson is correct: “Natural selection is the God-designed method of preserving representatives of the original created kinds.”
- 1 decade ago
I got half way down and it was a good argument so far, but I think that last cone really did for me. I'll just assume the rest made sense as well
- 1 decade ago
It would be nice if your little rant had some truth to it,but it does not,in order to qualify as science,evolution must be "provable and repeatable" which it is not.There are NO examples of any animal on earth which is presently evolving into another kind of animal.There are no fossils of such noncategoric forms either.Science is proven wrong EVERY DAY.God is not.You sir,are a gold-plated FOOL.
- ?Lv 51 decade ago
All good points, but they won't listen.
Whoever disproves evolution using real science would SURELY win the Nobel.
- NateLv 71 decade ago
You're likely the 378247858th person to point this out to them. They probably aren't listening now either. Sorry, nice try though.