Who all (among hunters) thinks getting fined for failure to purchase health insurance is not a tax increase?

I agree with you that insurance should be for catastrophic risks.

But that is not what health insurance in the U.S. is for. Insurance companies don't even want to cover catastrophic risks, and even if the patient has coverage, they find a way out of it when it is most needed.

No one should be forced to buy what they are peddling as insurance. Being forced to buy it is a tax and the insurance companies are the tax collectors. A fine for not buying the insurance would also be a tax.

Say what?

Fine me for not having health insurance? Who came up with this crazy idea?

I have a rather level headed idea. How about we save the money we would spend on health insurance. Then if we dont need to see a doctor.. the money still belongs to us? That's how I do it.

I might buy insurance when I get older and will need more medical care but until then it is my choice. If someone tries to force it upon me.. then they can kiss my tax dollars goodbye!

Getting fined for something you should have the right to choose is UNConstitutional.

Just as .700 Nitro said, I agree.

Obama can go **** himself with that garbage. If I choose to not have health care that would be my business just like anyone else. Who is the government to mandate such things like this? Talk about socialist crap, this is America, and we as Americans have our rights and freedoms to decide such things.

Although it was not a 'hunting' question, I get what u were going for with the 'hunt' for justice. Either way, it's not constitutional and it is some b/s.

The problem is that for private industry to be able to continue offer insurance, costs must go down. They are not. It is proposed that the government create a competitive market with private insurance there by driving down costs. To make everyone participate there has to be reward and punishment. The same as there is for SSI. To say that "I don't need it or want it" is a lie at some time in your life you will need medical attention and it will need to be payed for. Like death and taxes everyone is effected by it and should be required to support the need. Try removing social security now, the same arguments were used to try and stop that and now everyone can't live without it.

The system is broken and needs to be fixed, so instead of fighting it how about fixing it.

I suppose it could be thought of as a tax increase. I think of it as a fine though. A fine for committing no crime.

Where in the Constitution does it give the federal gov't authority to set up a health care insurance program, and where does it give them the right to fine you if you don't?

And even if it is Constitutional, it's just wrong.

Democrats believed in Democracy, and, in slavery.

"We landed gentry of a cultured society should look after the Colored Man, to see after his care, to look to his housing and victualing. Education does nothing but serve to confuse and confound them, those landless whites as well, possibly even serving only to lay the seeds of servile insurrection. No, we should find useful labor for them, to occupy their time in a most profitable manner. Let us look after them, for they are far too ignorant to look after themselves. Taxing what wages granted is only fair upon the balance of their up keep. The poor Irish whom have been crowding our shores are also growing more numerous than the *****, and are far more troublesome of disposition than our already subjugated population of Negroes. These wages should be taxed as well, in part to defray the costs of the up keep of their kind in our jails and workhouses.

Now, in regarding the radical view of this new, distorted and recalcitrant bunch calling themselves Republicans, and so declaring the aniquated notion that this nation's gray bearded old founders were founding a Republic is rediculous, and dangerous. The American Revolution ended over eighty years ago, and things have changed since then. Should not then the Constitution change with these changing times before us?

I say yes, that Constitution SHOULD change, and yet it should not. That sacred scroll gave The States power of their destinies, not the Federal Government. And if The States agree that The States shall have ultimate power over the governing of their own people, then The States shall rule supreme.

A Democracy, Gentlemen, decides what is best for its people, on behalf of The People, but, By Gods, Sirs, not BY The People...for they do not posess the faculties to make these proper and correct decisions upon their own.

A Republican Government will see chaos, what with a common peddler voting upon issues so far above his head as to require translation by The Almighty to confound and confuse.

No, I pray you, do not permit this pox of Republicanism pry a filthy boot through the door. For if you do, you will invite the unqualified oppinion to gain entry, the *****, a cracker Irish Laborer or sharecropper, a Red Indian, or for God's Sakes, and as laughable as this might seem to you Fine Gentlemen, perhaps even a woman, to cast a vote equal to one of you fine landholders. Pray do not let this come to pass...lest we all come to war..."

Jefferson Davis, Democrat, before the South Carolina Assembly, 1860.

Little has changed to this day.

In his statements, he said that being fined for not having health insurance was like that of not having car insurance. But he didn’t mention that you can decide not to drive if you don’t have car insurance. The point is with one you have a choice! Freedom means you have a choice! Socialism and fascism have the warning signs of NO choice………….

The hunt will go one to find a true patriot who holds Freedom dear to represent us.

Amd;

Ok let me make this clear. I busted my butt and paid my way through life and pay for my health care including heart surgery and other surgeries. And my tax dollars going to help others is fine with me no matter how hard I worked for that cash. My problem is mandated I repeat MANDATED heath care. To me the people should have the option to take it or leave it.

What’s next mandated food stamps even if you don’t want them? Maybe mandated drug screens to make sure you’re not abusing drugs. See?

This will open Pandora’s box. And you will see more mandates.

If any of you got food stamps I helped pay for them as millions like me did and that’s good! I like to help others but let’s not FORCE Americans to have no choice.

Most of you are too young to see the danger in this.

But if you watched the world for over 5 decades and were involved in world events you would see and understand.

America------------was

Thats the change

It may be like a tax, but it is in your best interest to have health insurance. If everyone has it, the system will work much better. If you don't have insurance, the rest of us may end up paying for you, especially if you use the emergency room treatment. Is that fair to us? I have health insurance for my family. If you don't, why not? Just to assert your independence? Not a good reason. I guess you just want to slam Obama for doing what polls show most Americans want. Provide universal health insurance. Why are you so against taxes. They are needed to run so many things like schools, roads, fire depts, the military, conservation efforts which benefit you, airports, police depts. etc. Which of these do you want to do without? We have lower taxes than most of the rest of the industrial world. Do you know that?

PS: I am a hunter with 6 firearms.

Remember all this crap coming out of DC when November rolls around.I know I will.