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Is scientific peer review a dead institution due to the AGW hysteria?
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/rethink...
It is well known that many scientists today do not want to get involved in the studies which require peer review that counter the AGW warmers due to the on going heavy backlash among those who are making a lot of money off of the hoax and those who just have a biased agenda of their own in the process.
Since colleagues of mine are involved in this issue at the moment where a paper was published in a medical journal and because of the political and liberal agenda against the study due to its nature, the two authors were immediately slandered and libeled by one leftist scientist in California who was once a member of the Chicago Seven several decades ago. This so-called scientist as a member of a board who conducts peer reviews has never given a thumbs up to specific research projects that conflict with his agenda, which would be considered left wing. Both scientists who wrote the paper have been credentialed scientists in epidemiology for over 35 years and are internationally known for their life's work.
Are scientists in the climate field also afraid to publish studies and risk the never ending attack from unprofessional scientists who wear an agenda on their back instead of an unbiased opinion and since careers can be made or broken by this process, is it just too risky to go against this liberal scientific machine that is in place.
Is the peer review process now dead due to the actions of many scientists toward their credentialed fellows in their field. I am talking about credentialed scientists, not Dana or Dawei who are just science bloggers with no real world experience or substance other than their leftists blogs on the internet.
Elvira.... slander, libel and mockery is not constructive critizism and your comments are irrelevant to this discussion. The name and credibility means everything Elvira as most journals may not publish without it. To be ridiculed by a former anti American Chicago Seven person was nothing more than slander and libel to further his leftist cause.
Baccheus, I would love to give you links, but since is not public knowledge, cannot as it is developing. You might want to start learning about Dr. Froines however.
And Dr. Glantz
Here is one link on him. http://www.illinoissmokersrights.com/stanton_glant...
He smeered several qualified epidemiologists on his agenda and is a supposed peer review scientist, but in what?
We all know smoking is bad, but second hand isn't as bad as many had thought and the epidemiologists have proven that time and time again, but this guy will not allow anyone to disagree with him.
Ant, I know all too well how peer review works and Ant, you are a fraud.
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- davemLv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
The difference between science and agw science is that agw science is really political-science. Left wing political science to be precise.
It seems there's a multitude of peer-reviewed crap out there that supports manmade global warming. Hansen's stuff is a good example. Peer-review is easy if collusion is used, but it makes everything else suspect and essentially meaningless.
Those who disagree with what's peer reviewed re agw have been chastised, discredited and in some cases threatened with physical violence. The global warming empire has no interest in science really, it's known to be a leftist political movement that has created a fake crisis and hijacked science (as they see it) to deal with the 'problem'. Peer reviewed papers from these guys aren't worth the paper they're written on.
- d/dx+d/dy+d/dzLv 61 decade ago
Peer review is alive and well thank you. Most scientists check and re-check their work before submitting to peer review. While the reviewers are anonymous, the authors of a paper are not. It is embarrassing to be called on elementary errors. If a scientist does not want to submit a paper to peer review, that is an indication that the quality of that paper is substandard. Good scientists review their own work and frequently decide that the results from some experiments are not definitive enough to publish. We don't have the time and resources to follow every line of investigation to completion. For example, last year I noticed enhanced uptake of a certain element in 4 samples of diseased tissue. To prove a connection and write a paper, I would need to do more than 100 samples @ $400 each. My grants are not specific to that problem, so I can't follow up. Instead, I passed the information at a friend at a government lab that has the funding and mandate to study that problem. For that case my data would not pass peer review, but my friend might pass peer review after doing hundreds more experiments. Science is a full contact sport for elite players. Pedestrians get mangled. Sorry. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
- antarcticiceLv 71 decade ago
"It is well known that many scientists today do not want to get involved in the studies which require peer review"
Clearly you don't have a clue about how peer review or science works the above suggestion alone prove that, beyond doubt, peer review is the primary method science uses to share information and new theories and to build upon existing theories.
Baccheus: he posted the same nonsense yesterday about some sort of law suit related to peer review and also posted a pdf which was supposed to be evidence, which of course it wasn't, it simply reinforced the fact he didn't have anything but a vivid imagination, he then deleted the question because I think even he realised he had made a fool of himself, as the pdf seemed to actually be a reply about an attempt to sue, stating it was not possible, how smart is that.
To be honest the claim that peer review doesn't work because those in the denier camp can't get their papers published is getting a little stale which is why they have switched to attacking peer review, there is no great secret or conspiracy to why they can't get published their science just doesn't work, they might be able to hoodwink portions of the general public through blogs and websites but that sort of rubbish doesn't work on scientists who want facts, figures and data to back it up and ranting about Al Gores electricity bill or fictional increases in the Sun are not going to work with scientists who know better. I think deep down even most deniers even know this.
- evirustheslayeLv 71 decade ago
the best way to spot a bad argument is by looking at the premises that are presented. if the person making the claim talks about the opposition rather than the opposition's arguments than they have essentially said nothing of any value
to suggest that someone is doing something just because they would make a profit off of it, or suggesting that the profit is a primary motivation is an ad homeniem circumstantial fallacy. a pharmacist could get money from selling you sugar pills rather than what you actually need, but that doesn't mean he is certainly doing it does it?
to suggest that someone is automatically right, simply because the are qualified in a field is an appeal to authority. science doesn't work by credentials it works based on the presentation of valid evidence, the author is irrelevant.
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- pegminerLv 71 decade ago
I think peer review will evolve due to the advent of instant publishing on the internet. I'm not sure it go away entirely due to the need to have some "crackpot" filter even on internet journals. Whatever it evolves into will not in any way be because of AGW.
- BaccheusLv 71 decade ago
It would help if you least indicated where the libel occured. Almost every publication is online now, so a link would be helpful.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I think it is more than time to remove political charlatans from positions where they can alter important scientific data for political reasons in order to protect the scientific community from their active fraud. In fact until the frauds and Charlton's can be removed and properly trained scientific professionals put in place to recheck all weather data back to 1970 and correct it all current data and reports based on them should be marked as suspect of fraud and set aside. Until all data has been validated by the scientific method I consider anything that comes out of any laboratory controlled or influenced by a radical leftist to be highly suspect of bering completely fraudulent and bogus.
Some scientific information revealing the truth about global warming, when it happened and what probably caused it.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/global_warming.h...
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data....
http://reasonmclucus.tripod.com/CO2myth.html
http://mc-computing.com/qs/Global_Warming/Atmosphe...
- bravozuluLv 71 decade ago
No, peer review is still valid where political hacks haven't taken over. It is damaging the credibility of all science. It is particularly galling when political activists pretend it equivalent to actual science.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Science is for sale and has been since the 80's. I believe none of it anymore, unless it is science used to make my cellphone even smaller and harder to use.