Where do some people on this board get the idea that vaccinations are made using human embryos?

Here is the Chicken Pox vaccine ingredients:

VARIVAX is available in either a single dose carton containing a vial of vaccine and a vial of diluent or in a carton of 10 doses of vaccine with a corresponding carton containing 10 doses of diluent.. It is a clear colourless to pale yellow liquid. The vials are made up using a supplied diluent which contains sterile water for injection.

Ingredients:

Active ingredient

Each 0.5 mL dose contains not less than 1350 plaque forming units of varicella virus (Oka/Merck).

Inactive ingredients

Sucrose, hydrolysed gelatin, urea, sodium chloride, monosodium L-glutamate(MSG), sodium phosphate dibasic, potassium phosphate monobasic and potassium chloride. The product also contains residual components of MRC-5 cells and trace quantities of neomycin and bovine calf serum.

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Consumers/cmi/v/varivax...

Rubella Vaccine:

MMR

Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin

mediums: M&M - chick embryo

Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients1.html

THERE YOU GO. These are two wedsites that I found that have nothing to do with religion and are not biased that state that MCR-5/human diploid cells/aborted fetuses are used in the making of vaccines. Don't believe me still?

People who don't often think about morality will eventually fall into a weak version of the following: the relativist/subjectivist category, the absolutist category or the worst category which is a mix of the two. Since the relativist/subjectivist thinks anything can be moral or amoral depending on perspective (culture etc) you might as well not bother asking. The absolutist will either have a moral absolute that they cannot explain (clinging to scripture/laws or rules or just "gut" instinct) or they will revert to utilitarianism. Once the prospect of utility is taken into consideration, the person will find that all that is needed to find the morality in a decision is a simple calculation. Ultimately the question becomes "does this deed produce more good or bad?" When morality is looked at in this light any act is potentially moral. Unfortunately, Bruce many people prefer to view abortion/embryonic use/capital punishment/torture through the filmy Lens of utilitarianism. The result is people who think that if you can promote a good by doing an act, the act becomes good and if you stop a good (or promote an evil) by an act, that act becomes bad. There is no consideration for the nature of the act or the nature of the subjects involved, merely the result.

Look up the ingredients of vaccines. You can get them on the various manufacturer websites, like Glaxo Smith Kline, or Merck - or you can type "human diploid cells" into their search bars and see what you get. Those human diploid cells were obtained from a 14-week-old male fetus back in the 60s, and the cell line is still being cultivated and used in vaccine preparation today. It's called the MRC-5 cell line.

Here you go:

http://www.viromed.com/services/product/mrc5.htm

Professor - do you consider it problematic for people to question the status quo? It says right on the manufacturer sites that their vaxes are cultured in these cells so I looked up the origin. The information is out there - it took me all of 5 minutes to find it. What does homeschooling have to do with any of this, other than the fact that you've made it clear that you think homeschoolers are stupid and/or religious nuts?

@Marissa: the 1966 (!) study BEC quotes as her source did not use cells from an abortion. I suspect they came from a natural miscarriage. Medical research has changed a great deal in 40 years.

@AJ from Perth: homeschooled students must meet certain educational standards in math and reading, say, but parents have the option of providing whatever curriculum they choose. Many people homeschool their kids because they don't want the kids to learn the science (evolution) that might cause them to question their faith (creationism).

I thought that was strange too. My first thought was...certain vaccines were available before abortion was legal...so if part of an embryo or fetus is part of a vaccine, how were these vaccines made in the past? Abortions did not become legal until 1973. Many vaccines were invented well before this.

Here's a time line of when certain vaccines were invented: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_vaccines

They aren't getting the right information - and to agree with professor about HS- they don't know enough to know what they don't know. They don't learn about research methods, etc. Most HS curriculum's are Christian based and proscribe ideas but don't teach people how to think. If they did they would question lots of things.

I have no idea- except the two who say it were home schooled and are going to home school their children. Does the home schooling curriculum have other problems?

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People who are limited in how to find credible sources don't always have the best information.

In my opinion home schooling teaches people what to think not how to think. Yes they do well on tests, but not on application of subject matter.

Myths.

Those people also probably think that eating chicken is cannibalism.

Doesn't home schooling have to follow the same educational guidelines as everyone else?