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Have you seen this chart of Arctic Sea Ice Volume Anomaly (updated daily)?
do you think the deniers will be able to say they can see any kind of 'recovery' in this?
wow great links from trevor.
first grade, thats how i eyeballed it, but lets be cautious. the linear trend is quite scary enough.....
dana, sorry :-)
antarctic, sorry, am i being too technical?
qt, the big picture, yes. only by focussing on little bits, out of context, can the denyers make any sort of case that even resembes science.
i cant choose. i whall leave it to a vote. i notice that the first of the denyers' "i dont know how they measure volume so it must be rubbish" 'questions' is up......
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- ~QT~™Lv 41 decade agoFavorite Answer
No, thanks for the link =)
They won't see a recovery in that. No one would. However, the next time sea ice volume increases slightly, they'll be quick to point it out. Deniers focus on short-term weather patterns. If yesterdays temperature was 80 degrees, and todays temperatures is 60 degrees, they'd probably declare the the Earth had experienced massive cooling = ) To really understand global warming it is essential to look at the bigger picture. Sea ice volume will fluctuate from year to year. One year with increased sea ice doesn't refute an overall declining trend.
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- Anonymous5 years ago
Well, we should have a healthy concern. Being worried is something that I for one can do without. The loss of Arctic sea ice is a remarkable ongoing event to say the least and it is a benchmark and a window of opportunity. We can either continue on as we have in the past and exhaust the planet's resources and continue to permanently change the surface of the planet, or we can make an effort to at least see if it is possible to conserve and preserve the planet's resources, enough so that these resources do not permanently disappear. It's a lot like a business, only Mother Nature does not lend resources that do not exist, like banks do. Once the "money" is gone, in this case natural resources, they are gone. So, in this specific topic, that of Arctic sea ice, once the Arctic Ocean has melted completely, one summer in the foreseeable future, the theory is that so too is the earth's natural air conditioner. The idea is that we do not want to find out exactly what happens after that because it more than likely includes global climate events that today's agricultural communities and the world's current and future increased populations will not be able to handle... So, yes, we should be concerned. Concerned enough to continue efforts to eliminate our contribution to climate change and global warming...
- TrevorLv 71 decade ago
Hi,
Here’s an updated version of the same graph that I’ve just run off. Using the latest available data it projects to the end of the summer season what will happen to the Arctic ice this summer. If the projection is correct (about 70% of the time they are) then this year could see a record low sea-ice extent, dipping below 4 million km² for the first time http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevorandclaire/45927...
A few weeks ago when the Arctic sea-ice was expanding the skeptics and deniers were quick to announce “This is evidence of a coming ice age” or “like I said before: global warming is over” and “we now have to seriously look at global cooling” and another comment “clearly that means that global warming has stopped and now we’re starting an ice age” and a somewhat foolish prediction that “Arctic ice extent will likely stay high for at least the next month” These are all from Anthony Watt’s site http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/02/artic-sea-ic...
I very much doubt that the skeptics and deniers will pay any attention to these facts as they go against their beliefs and must therefore be ignored or some fantasy fabricated to explain them away.
Here’s a couple more sites with info about the polar ice…
Cryosphere Today: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
National Snow and Ice Data Center: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
- antarcticiceLv 71 decade ago
LRG: You are referring to 'Volume' are you intentionally trying to confuse deniers, you know how they have a problem with those pesky scientifical words like 'Volume' and 'Extent'
Although after some noise about extent a few weeks ago they seem to have gone quite on the subject, what the Arctic has done over the last two weeks may have something to do with that.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_im...
As some tried to explain to them at the time current volumes of single year sea ice are high and this will melt quite quickly as Summer returns, for which we got the usual thumbs down and insults, the above link is all that is really needed as an answer to their nonsense.
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- Dana1981Lv 71 decade ago
People should have seen it, because I've been referencing it pretty frequently since I first stumbled upon it about 3 weeks ago :-)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkqaF...
I think it's only updated once every two weeks or so though, not daily. The "last updated" date was April 15th until it was updated again April 30th, which is the current date on the graph.
Not surprisingly, very few deniers answered that particular question. It's one of those 'inconvenient truths' that while there was a short-term rebound in Arctic sea ice extent, the volume of the Arctic ice remains at near record lows. All of that new ice was of course very thin, and as NSIDC noted at the time, will melt quickly this summer. It's one of those short-term bits of data which deniers like to exploit while they last, along with the snowflurries this winter, La Niña temperatures, etc.
- 1 decade ago
I haven't seen it. Thank you.
There will always be someone who denies what they see as conventional dogma. Some are right (Galileo, Kepler, Einstein) and some are wrong (moon landing hoax, Obama not a citizen).
The true outlier while deny something no matter what evidence is placed in front of them. Their eyes are forever shut. But it is the other deniers who are more interesting. Maybe they are right. Maybe they are wrong. But if they cause you to continually reexamine your own assumptions, you will be able to put together a sharper, more logically coherent argument.
As for the chart. Why would we assume it should be linear? One of the hallmarks of ice and snow is its large albedo. There is a rational assumption in most climate models that the melting of polar ice will have a positive feedback on temperature causing even more melting of ice. You want to see something scary? Look at the red line I penciled in: http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Remo_Avir...
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lol, I too truly hope that the recent speeding up is just an anomaly. Further, I hope that the skeptics are right and the trend since the 1980s is an anomaly, too. But just because I hope they are right is not good reason to assume history will judge them as right.
- BGSLv 41 decade ago
Thanks! I've been looking for a volume graph for some time. Nearly all the discussion focusses on area, but of course volume is crucial.
- 1 decade ago
They tend to avoid the facts, I doubt they will respond at all, unless its to state something totally irrelevant to the facts. Thank you for providing this link.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
They'll come up with something.