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Can thee God contradict himself?

God is a title, we give to what we believe is the most supreme being.

Can thee God, assuming there is only 1, contradict himself?

Self-Contradiction is a flaw -- RIGHT?

The most supreme being would by sheer definition be perfect... right?

If a god can self contradict, go against his own principles, then he is by definition not perfect and thus not truly God -- something else might be, then.

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Stated another way, If there exists the possibility of something else greater, either in mercy, internal consistency, knowledge, love, etc. then by definition the being we use the title of thee God on, is in fact NOT god. -- RIGHT

So I ask you, under what circumstances can thee God (assuming there is just 1) ever contradict himself or do anything which is not perfect and still be God?

Remembering that: If he is not perfectly good, then something else might be slightly better,... in which case there then exists the possibility something else, perhaps on Earth is better. But if that's the case, then by sheer definition that immediately becomes God.

Argue this point ad-infinum until you arrive at a point where you concede that WHOEVER thee God is.. he HAS TO BE, by sheer definition, perfect, incapable of self contradiction, perfectly loving, just, merciful, everything good. OR he simply fails the definition of being "the 1 God."

Which would then mean we most likely have multiple gods (or no god if none of us are any better then the rest of us in any way shape or form, which we know is not true) These multiple gods would then be beings, either entirely human or not, which represent the best examples of each character trait, area of knowledge, etc.

I know this must sound terribly circular, but to those which continually try to enlighten theists by showing how depraved or screwed up their God is.. your examples, interpretations of scripture, or what-not, seems to ignore the very definition of what those theists believe GOD is.

So the argument fails to convince because it violates the definition.

Do you agree? If not, under what set of circumstances can the 1 true God be less then perfect?

Update:

Sorry for the length, I cut it down as much as I could. At least I broke it up so its not a wall of text.

Update 2:

JAMES O:

See this is the type of thinking I was hoping to get more of.

YES, obviously I am talking about something that none of us can truly even comprehend and so there are limits.

I agree

However, we know that self-contradiction would not be possible by this theoretically perfect being, as we define God to be.

This is why many attempts fail to convince theists - because it violates the definition, even if we can not fully comprehend it.

Update 3:

SHINE and JC

Thanks for giving me text book definitions of the same in the box literalist thinking which proves my point that pointing to contradictions will break the definition and thus not convince anyone.

1 thumbs down each.

You're welcome!

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Problem: "perfect" is an abstract concept we have invented, much in the way of "infinity."

    Nobody has ever seen or touched or otherwise dealt with perfection. It's a notion we invented.

    God, being the creator, has created all that we are. Naturally our invention of perfection would tend toward God.

    However, it is our invention. Much like it appears that there are more than the standard three dimensions in the world (but we can only comprehend three of them with the senses), it is not unreasonable to suppose that there are aspects of goodness, justice and mercy far beyond our powers of perception and understanding. Thus, our notion of what we call perfection cannot be perfect, because it is limited by our very limited nature.

    So, while we certainly can talk til the cows come home about perfection, and how perfect is God, etc., the discussion is meaningless, since we don't have a grasp of the basic terms.

    We are finite beings, creatures, attempting to comprehend a deity beyond our perception. God need not be perfect or infinite to be beyond our ability to fathom, since we are Her creatures.

    Just as a pot cannot comprehend the potter, we cannot comprehend God.

  • 1 decade ago

    God, being Holy Supreme Original Father God Creator, does not contradict. Humans contradict. I would go so far as to say that the bible contradicts, according to how you read it. Our interpretations contradict. The human mind, yes, all the time. We are human filters, even of inspired writings. Define perfection. In the human world being perfect does not mean never improving. Bright can get brighter. In terms of the Divine, Father God, where everyone and everything originated, no contradictions except in the mind of men. Although I greatly honor the Bible, I do not equate it with being God. A lot of truth for sure. Decipher for oneself. I am not into convincing anyone or proving. It is my belief, that the Supreme God will not nor has ever will contradict. If you differ, that is ok. Blessings to you.

  • 1 decade ago

    No, but texts can if not rightly interpreted

    God cannot contradict Himself

    There are mistaken attitudes and the like ascribed to God contrary to His attributes( All Good, All Perfect, All Just, All Loving, etc)but any sacred text needs to be intrepreted in the light of God's attributes

    There is also paradox which is apparent but not real contradiction

  • 5 years ago

    have you ever been at against the regulation scene and asked the varrious wittnesses what occurred. there is actuality this is obtrusive, then there is the enter from the minds of the visitors seprate factors of view. each and each is precisely genuine. The esentals are there. The data are there. The personalities of the writters are additionally there performing as a interpeting ingredient. The Gospels are basically that. there is the actuality, and there is likewise the presentation of the factors of view of the wittnesses. The overriding actuality in Judaism and Christianity is that God is One Lord. hear O Isreal, the Lord our God is One Lord. The team spirit of God is unquestionable. God can not disagree with himself. Any interpetation of scripture or narrative that asks if God disagrees with himself disregards the 1st principals, or primise of the Bible. All else is obtainable in the sunshine of that one single theory

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  • 1 decade ago

    Biblical contradictions, never derive from the Bible itself but from the interperters. We as humans have the freedom to perceive anything we see, read, taste, or touch, as we please.

    Now lets begin with your break down of God. In the beginning of the Bible God was never referenced by name. Adam and Eve never called out the name God to speak to or hear from him. Cain and Abel were raised to worship and Sacrifice to God continuously but even as Cain and Abel gave they never saught a name to call him. It was understood he was the "Supreme Being" therefore a name to assert his position was never necessary. Continuing on throughot the chapters God began to be known, as "Father", "Most-Hight", these are adjectives describing a person of a certain status or worth. Traveling further you will see God being called "Jehovah" or other foreign words that translate into God.-The point I am building up to is that man sought to create a name to call this "Supreme being".It is a fact that man must see or hear something to call it factual.{Is this not our principles of "evidence"}The term God then evolved into a more generalized "text" term for an exhaulted being, as you mentioned above. Thats when the people began worshiping other entities and called tem God.

    Society has somehow taken everything that was created out of pure praise to GOD the father of Christ and made it into and earthly term. In the Bible God has never contradicted his self, if so name an instance. God does change life for his creations though. God has made more allowances and allowed us more room for decision out of love to grant us our desire.{That excerpt isn't factual but my belief}. Now when you say contradiction, think of it like this. Did he go agaisnt somethimg "You" believe he was about. Or are you drawing from his only guidline on Earth the "Bible".

    Too often humans are ready to persecute the beliefs of other or disapprove what they cannot see, touch, understand, or control. I f you have any further statements or arguments I am more then willing to discuss.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    In Matthews 1:1-16 it says there are 27 generations between David and Jesus, but in Luke 3:23-28 it says there are 41 generations between David and Jesus. So apparently the "good book" needs a little bit of fact checking.

    Source(s): Proud black atheiest and http://trevorburrus.newsvine.com/_news/2008/03/05/...
  • Sara
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    The Hindus define God as "Existence, Knowledge and Bliss."

    I like this, because it goes beyond dichotomy like love/hate, good/bad, forgiving/vengeful.

    When we give an attribute to God, it must not be a human failing.

  • 1 decade ago

    No. The Bible is 100% truth and the absolute word of God. No contradictions. =)

  • 5 years ago

    satan show his arrogance to GOD and contradict HIS commamdment ,then let see what is the end of satan as being casted in to the damn eternal hell fire of the world here after.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Bible have thousands of contradiction. I can quote few

    "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven"[ John 3:13]

    This is obviouly false Because

    "..And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" [2 kings 2:11]

    Malachi 4:5 says God again will send Prophet Elijah from heaven

    2 samuel 24:1 says that God incited David to number Israel

    1 chronicles 21:1 says that Satan incited David to number Israel

    God and Satan are not Synonymous!!

    2 chronicles 36:9 says that jehoiachin was 8 years old when he became king

    2 kings 24:8 says that Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he became king

    a difference of 10 years!

    1 chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots

    1 kings 4:26 says that Solomon had 40,000 stalls for horses

    John the Baptist contradicts Jesus.

    According to Jesus, John the Baptist was Elijah in his 2nd coming Matthew 17:11

    John the Baptist denied being Elijah when the priests and levites questioned him (John 1:19-21)

    there died of the plague 24,000 (Numbers 25:9)

    there died of the plague 23,000 (1 cor, 10:8)

    2 samuel 24:9 says that The number of Fighting men of Israel was 800,000 and Judha 500,000

    Paul 1 chron 21:5 says that the Number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000 and Judha 470,000

    "David slew 700 and 40000 horsemen and Shobach the commander"[2 samuel 10:18]

    "David slew 7000 chariots and 40000 footmen"[1 chronicles 19:18]

    "Arah had 775 sons"[Ezra 2:5]

    "Arah had 652 sons"[Nehemiah 7:10]

    "Michal never had a child until she died"[2 Samuel 6:23]

    "Michal Had 5 sons"[2 Samuel 21:8]

    "26th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over israel" [1 kings 16:6-8]

    "36th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over israel"[2 chronicles 16:1]

    who was Josiah's successor?

    Jehoahaz mentioned in [2 chronicle 36:1]

    Shallum mentioned in [Jeremiah 22:11]

    God know what is true!

    "...And on the 7th day He abstrained from work AND RESTED"[Exodus, 31:17]

    "The Lord is the everlasting God, the creator of the ends of the earth. He will NOT grow TIRED OR WEARY.."[Isaiah 40:28]

    Book of Ezra, 2:2-63 and Book of Nehemiah, 7:7-65

    Bible says whole company numbered 42,360

    if you count Ezra 2:2-63 then you will get 29,818

    whole company numbered is not 42,360!!

    If you count Nehemiah 7:7-65 then you will get 31,089

    here also whole company numbered is not 42,360!

    Totally a dangerous MATH ERROR in bible! Because people can convert to atheist to see this Math error in Bible.

    It seems God dont know about Math, if we think bible came from God!

    "...They also had 200 men and women singers"[Izra, 2:65]

    "...They also had 250 men and women singers"[Nehemiah, 7:67]

    Totally contradiction!

    Unfulfilled Prophecy of Bible:

    Genesis 4:12 says..God told cain: you will never be able to settle.You will be a wanderer

    few verses later on Genesis 4:17 says..'Chin built up a City'

    totally unfulfilled prophecy!

    Jeremiah 36:30 it says, 'Jehoiakim in the father of Jehoaiachin..No one will be able to sit on his throne-the throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiakim.'

    Now please read 2 kings 24:6 it says that..'Jehoiakim after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne'

    totally unfulfilled prophecy!

    Ezekiel 26 chapter it says that 'Nebuchaderzzar, he will destroyed Tyre'

    we come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyra

    Totally unfulfilled Prophecy!

    isaiah 7:14 says, prophesying of.."The coming a person who will born to virgin- his name will be Emmanuel"

    You christian says it refer to Jesus Christ. Born to virgin- the Hebrew word there is "Alma" which means not "a virgin" always Alma mentioned "a young lady" the word for virgin in Hebrew is "Baitula" which is not there.

    And it says 'He will be called "immanuel"

    no where in the Bible is Jesus Christ called as Immanuel

    totally unfulfilled Prophecy!

    All seems Bible is corrupt. As Jeremiah 8:8 says Bible was written by "into lie"

    "How can you say, "We are wish, and the law of the LORD with us? But, behold, the false pen of scribes has made it into a lie" [From the RSV, jeremiah 8:8]

    Its agree with Islamic claiming that Bible is corrupt. As Prophet Muhammad says:

    "....God has told you that the people of the scripture (i.e Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hand and said, 'it is from God,' to sell it for a little gain...[Sahih Bukhari, volume 9, book 92, Number 461]

    As God says in Quran:

    "Then woe to those who write the book with their own hands, and then says:"This is from GOD," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby" [The Quran, 2:89]

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