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Wouldn't repeal of birth right citizenship engender chaos for every American?

Presently all one needs to do to prove citizenship and the only ways one can prove citizenship is to produce a birth certificate or naturalization papers. To obtain a passport one must provide a birth certificate or naturalization papers so the Passport is not the answer and everyone doesn't have one anyway.

If you say, well they are citizens if their parents were, then how does one prove that ones parents were citizens if their birth certificates cannot be prima facie proof of citizenship?

So, tell me, if our birth certificates cannot prove citizenship, how do we prove it?

This ought to be interesting....

Update:

If your parents birth certificate cannot prove that they are citizens then how is it determined that they were citizens when you were born?

Update 2:

Chi Guy, guess what one needs to provide in order to get a social security number? That's right, a birth certificate. :)

There is no satisfactory substitute. People have pointed out that this change would not be retroactive and that is probably true. But, the confusion and costs would still be massive. The 'anchor baby' impact is minimal.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    If it were made retroactive, it would be complicated. For instance, I can produce a birth certificate to prove I was born in California, but I don't have certificates to prove my parents were American citizens. And getting a certificate for my father would be tricky, since I know the day he was born and the state, but I don't actually know which county. You're right that administering the details of this would be very difficult.

    But it's all academic, since changing the law would require a constitutional amendment, and that just isn't going to happen. The fallback position is that the 14th Amendment just has to be 're-interpreted'. Isn't it funny how all these right wingers who are devout constitutionalists and think they know exactly what the Founding Fathers would have done about net neutrality or subsidized health insurance suddenly, when faced with a problem where the Constitutional text is absolutely unambiguous, decide you can solve the problem by 'interpreting' the language to not say what it clearly says?

  • Ruth S
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    There could be a way to prove if you were born in this country - and Obama's Health Care Plan COULD provide that information! I would say 99.9% of the children born in this country happens in a hospital! Yes! I know there's a few who are born in Mid Air, or on their way to the hospital. They could very well have a National Data base, Hospitals are supposed to gather any pertinent information from the parents including THEIR finger prints, and DNA, so there would be no doubt who belongs to who!!! But, that would be too much trouble for the administration, right!!

    The thing is, a lot of people don't KNOW who their parents are!! Orphans are instance!! How would anyone know what country those people are from? As far as the anchor babies, if the parents can prove they have lived continuously IN this country, without skipping back and forth over the border, held a job for so many years, can show proof of WHERE they lived for those years, THAT I don't see any problem, because when I first came to this country, every blessed year I had to inform the IMS where I was living and if I had moved! It didn't cost me anything, all I had to do, was fill out a form at the end of each year, and hand it over to the Post Office! I don't know why they stopped doing that, but when they did, they screwed up big time!

    ANY person, no matter WHO they are, should have a Health certificate in order to enter the country,AND, like I had to, be finger printed! That was part of the system back then, and I came in on a quota!! So many people from countries were allowed to enter each year, not this mass invasion by crossing borders, ships and planes which we have now!

  • 1 decade ago

    Since amending the Constitution to remove the section that grants citizenship to everyone born in the US (with a few exceptions) could not be applied retroactively, birth certificates issued before the effective date would still prove citizenship. I would expect that if such an amendment were passed the states would modify their birth certificates to include the citizenship of the parents. The parents could then produce their birth certificates, either with citizenship listed if born after the effective date or with out if born before.

  • 1 decade ago

    I don't think the law goes back in time (if passed).

    It would require one parent to provide proof of citizenship within X amount of days after the birth of their child (possibly 90 days or something). I would imagine there is a database where one can provide a SS number for hospitals to pull info from (maybe).

    I support legislation that deters people from taking advantage of any and all systems be it immigration, corporate welfare, general assistance, etc.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I hear aliens arguing this way. However it is not necessary to prove citizenship to be in the US. This is but another red herring they throw out to try to get around the law. Aliens may be in the US if they are allowed to be. Usually a drivers license is sufficient to show that the government allows them here. Whether they are here as a citizen or here as a legal alien is moot-we are only after people that ARE NOT supposed to be here at all-not all foreigners point blank.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    It would certainly complicate the record keeping system.... Somehow I suspect there will be a lot of children of illegals ending up as citizens. Look at how easy it is to ghet false papers now. That won't change...

  • 1 decade ago

    Birth certificates list

    * the date of birth

    * the place of birth

    * names of the parents

    If one of your parents is US citizen, then your birth certificate is issued to you which says that you received US citizenship by birth.

  • 1 decade ago

    You need simply look at other countries that use other criteria than what our own 14th Amendment uses. In other words, they don't grant citizenship just because the child was born on their soil. Are they chaotic?

    (Why would you ask this question without citing examples?)

    Also, have you asked yourself if it is right or even sustainable and feasible to continue granting citizenship to the children of millions of trespassers who swarm our borders and then reproduce in high volume?

    That type of phenomenon has been known to destroy civilizations.

  • Obama
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    I don't understand the question. You say,"Presently all one needs to do to prove citizenship" then you say, "if our birth certificates cannot prove citizenship". Which on is it?

  • 1 decade ago

    Imagine republicans with control of this process. Gee, I wonder who they'd pick to take their citizenship away?

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