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In Traditional Martial Arts... what is the point of Kata?
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First of all, I am NOT attempting to undermine the importance of Kata!!! So spare me the attacks!
I'm doing a bit of research, and I want responses from martial art practitioners... and really would like to know their take on Katas. Because many outsiders would say they see no point to it, that they're a meaningless waste of time. I have my own reasons for why I feel they are important, but would certainly appreciate YOUR take on it.
Weather you think they are important, or think them to be pointless... I would like your take.
What I am asking is from YOUR point of view, what is so important about doing Katas?
What purpose would YOU say they serve?
15 Answers
- pugpaws2Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
Kata serves several purposes. It first teaches students the movements. The technique, timing, and transition from one technique to another. Many people never get much more than that because they are not taught the real purpose of kata. Kata was designed to be a catalog of the movements and the "Real Combat Application of the moves". This was done so that someone that know the moves would not forget them. The real applications were hidden in such a way that someone watching the kata would not know how the moves are really meant to be used. For instance, there are many techniques that appear to be blocks. In the real applications these are not blocks at all but strikes, throws, joint locks, ...etc. To make matters worse, very few instructors have been taught the hidden applications that are in their kata. I began my training in karate in 1967. Yet it was not until the 1980's that I first saw some of the real applications of the kata moves. Since then I have met hundreds of people that claim to know the hidden bunkai (Kyusho and Tuite). But of all of them less than a handful are teaching it correctly. Many are outright con artists. Others have been taught incorrectly and don't know that what they are teaching others is not the real application.
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Source(s): Martial arts training and research since 1967. Teaching martial arts since 1973. - JayLv 71 decade ago
Beginners are taught basic techniques through kata. By repetitive practice the moves become second nature which bring about muscle memory, the ability to naturally react and move in a subconscious level.
As to also teach technique it also trains in their refinement. Any martial artist of any style (and people who've been in a real fight) can testify to the fact that it's not enough to simply through a punch or a kick. Kata helps develop technique and the proper mentality to it's use.
Kata is the very backbone to traditional martial arts. Without kata all the martial arts are essentially the same and have no variance. Because of kata, the particular school can give a consummate affirmation of their techniques, skills, applications, methods and strategies. A lot of people are oblivious to this, but there are hundreds of hidden application, even outside of standard application. The most well known (they not really) is Taijiquan with it's Dim-Mak/pressure point techniques hidden inside the application. Okinawan Karate was such hidden things as well. It's only available to those who are well studied enough to see it.
None the less, kata is simply a series of movements that give illustration to fighting application. The same can be said with combining various punches together. Kata can exist in more than one form and isn't so black and white.
Source(s): 15+ years Goju Ryu, Taekwondo, Hapkido, Tai Chi, and Hung Gar practitioner - Jim RLv 71 decade ago
The point of kata? To say there is no point to kata simply demonstrates the fact that the person saying that has no idea what a kata even is. Forms, as kata are also called exist in almost every effective martial art for good reason. To start with, the entire style is contained and cataloged within it's kata. The kata were cleverly designed to conceal certain applications. Grappling within the art of karate is a good example of this. Many have said that there is little or no grappling in karate. But the kata are ALL "laden with grappling" (to quote Fat Cobra) if they are properly understood. When they are understood, they provide excellent training for speed, timing, accuracy, and they help you to constantly refine your technique and your understanding of same. Those who think kata are meaningless, or are a waste of time have a great deal to learn about martial art, and what makes it so very effective when it needs to be. Others here may provide more insight also. Good luck with the research.
edit: great list Shihan J thanks for that.
Source(s): 40+ yrs training/teaching MA - ISDSLv 61 decade ago
The first internal set (we call them sets) in my style is brutal. It's designed to take your body and start shaping it and strengthening it along lines and angles in the body that had probably never been used much before. If a newly initiated student into the 1st internal set doesn't listen to the warning to only do the set at 50% power max they stand a good chance at tearing muscles across their shoulders and hips. Even people in the best of shape are severly winded from an the internal sets when doing it 80%+ power and they could do the external sets dozens of times without pausing.
II know what the internal sets of our style are designed to do. They're very important because without steady practice in those "katas" then your body cannot do the techniques in our style even if you are in really good shape and are physically strong. You can know the theory behind our techniques all day but if you haven't shaped your body around those mechanics then it's hopeless to try and use them.
If that's not useful then I don't know what is.
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- ?Lv 61 decade ago
It took me a long time to come to an answer for this...
In the Bujinkan, we have only a few techniques that are strictly kata, and they're some of the earliest taught techniques. I've done kata for years in various other arts, but it was only in having a few to examine that I could really stop and try to understand them. This is what I came up with.
Kata are like a transmission dance. If you examine the movements of Noh theatre, with it's prescribed steps, slight shifts, and movements, each carries a fundamental lesson on the workings of the human body in relation to its environment. In kimono, for instance, large western-style movements will put pressure on the obi, causing it to come undone and the kimono to fall open. In my art, the hips and shoulders should always be aligned, and the back straight. To watch a beginner from the US perform our kata 10 times, you invariably see the belt untie and the keikogi come open.
The kata itself carries a method inside, a lesson as to how the body should move. A basic/fundamental lesson in the way the body aligns itself. Each of the positions taught should be correct, consequential of the movement of the feet, hips, shoulders, and precise. The dance is done in such a way to chain the movements together, to create a memory map. Like theatre, the steps are memorable because they're practiced and precise. If a student is performing these kata incorrectly, they will know. If they continue to perform them incorrectly for 10 years, they are hopeless and should quit. These are a practice tool, carrying a deep lesson about the use of the body, and individual principles necessary to unlock the secrets of the art.
Source(s): Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu http://ocbujinkan.com/ - KokoroLv 71 decade ago
kata or prones is your style. without it you no longer have tkd or karate
that is only part of the reason why they were created a very small part
kata is the manual to your styles.
forms, kata or prones which every you may call them, are one of the most important parts in your style, since they are your style, everything your style is are lock inside of kata, without it you don’t have the style. Everything you need for sparing is also in your kata
Kata at its core teaches the following
Technique
Tactics
Kokyu (breathe control)
Kaeshu (reversals)
Atemi (vital strike to vital area)
Kyusho (pressure point strikes)
Kensetsu (bone or joint bending)
Appaku (applied pressure)
Kotekitai (absorbing and controlling pain)
Nage (throwing)
Chime (choking)
kata is not that simple,
it takes years to understand the simplest kata, there are different levels of studying bunkai, it can be anywhere from a basic understanding to a very advance one. and its not always a block or punch, take the kata tekki (naihanchin) this kata is all grappling moves with few strikes.
each kata has a number of interpretations some depend on your level of understand and others very from teach or style. there is no one answer for what the bunkai is.
bunkai is equally important Without bunkai kata is meaningless, there are several levels of bunkai
i came across a nice little list of of 21 points, unfortunate ya doesn't allow for tabs so it may look a little off of kumite vs kata
Kumite (Sparring Matches) Kata Bunkai (Realistic training)
1. Mutual arranged combat 1. Unexpected attacks
2. Must face your opponent straight on 2. Attacks may come from any angle
3. Referee to control the match, beginning to end 3. Self-control on applications to avoid injury or death
4. A strict limitation on techniques allowed 4. Anything goes, absolutely no limitations.
5. Only impacting techniques allowed 5. Both Impacting and Seizing techniques are encouraged
6. Conducted with both opponents facing & ready 6. Attacks will come from the front, back or side.
7. Particular target areas strictly enforced 7. All target areas allowed and encouraged
8. Dangerous attacks (techniques) forbidden 8. Specifically, encourages dangerous techniques
9. At least some protective gear worn 9. No protective gear is worn
10. Joint strikes & kicks are strictly forbidden 10. Joint attacks are highly encouraged
11. Weight & age classes strictly enforced 11. Weight and age will seldom be in your favor
12. May strike only once when grabbing an opponent 12. Multiple strikes encouraged after grabbing.
13. Dangerous Pressure point attacks forbidden 13. Dangerous Pressure point attacks highly encouraged
14. Throws are forbidden 14. Throws are used and highly encouraged
15. Ground techniques seldom taught & are forbidden 15. Ground techniques are taught and applied
16. No biting, spitting, pinching, poking, etc, allowed 16. Simulation of biting, spitting, pinching,etc,encouraged.
17. Mind-set limited to only one opponent 17. Must maintain mind-set for multiple opponent attacks.
18. No need to learn break-falling techniques 18. Learning break-falling techniques extremely important.
19. Kicking below waist generally forbidden. 19. Seldom if ever kicking above the waist.
20. Multiple techniques limited by referee 20. Multiple techniques allowed & encouraged.
21. Great limitations on techniques allowed. 21. Virtually all techniques in a martial syllabus allowed.
Source(s): 30+yrs ma - ?Lv 71 decade ago
Katas(Forms) are the blueprint for TMAs. Like the others said it builds muscle memory and teaches u how to react in different situations. Each Kata(Form) has many different uses which are left up to the individuals inerperatation for each situation. If u look at different lineages of the same MA u will notice the Katas(Forms) are the same but look different. Its because of how its interperated by each generation and individual of martial artists. Different lineages have alot to learn from each other. They can learn different ways to react.
- Darth ScandalousLv 71 decade ago
Tony Valente - I agree with Manofbaphomet, except that he included the term "martial artist", which you just proved you are not.
To the Asker - Practitioners such as Pugpaws, Katana, Fat Cobra, Jim R, NWOhioGuy, Sifu Frank, and many other Veteran Martial Artists have answered this question on many occasions. So each one of us have explained this in detail many times.
If you want to REALLY do the research, go to the space that says: what are you looking for? and type in the word "kata" with words like "effectiveness" and other such words.
Your reward will be information dating back at least a couple of years. That should keep you busy and you can learn something without us having to explain this for the 50th time.
- 1 decade ago
Over the years I've found it ironic how many people who poo poo kata will go on about the importance of knowing and practicing striking combos until they know them by heart and become second nature.
To put it in the simplest of terms, kata/forms are important in a similar manner that boxing combos are important. In a real fight, you're not going to implement a form exactly how you've done it a thousand times, but knowing it will aid you in fluidity of movement and being able to react without thinking about it. It puts all of your options front and center, easily accessible.
Striking combos are similar (again, in the simplest of terms). In a fight you're not going to execute combo number 6 in a mechanical way. But knowing all the combos by heart, you're going to be able to react to most given situations as they present themselves with very little thought about actual mechanics and technique.
- 1 decade ago
Tony V "kata is an out dated form of shadow boxing. also kata gives the teacher a break from the student."
Your an IDIOT! And if you really believe this then you are a lacking martial artist.
Source(s): A Martial Artist for many years.