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Why is this Daily Mail article being touted as evidence that global warming has "halted"?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-133...
I quote:
"Read carefully with other official data, they conceal a truth that for some, to paraphrase former US VicePresident Al Gore, is really inconvenient: for the past 15 years, global warming has stopped.
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The maths isn't complicated. If the planet were going to be six degrees hotter by the century's end, it should be getting warmer by 0.6 degrees each decade; if two degrees, then by 0.2 degrees every ten years. Fortunately, it isn't.
Actually, with the exception of 1998 - a 'blip' year when temperatures spiked because of a strong 'El Nino' effect (the cyclical warming of the southern Pacific that affects weather around the world) - the data on the Met Office's and CRU's own websites show that global temperatures have been flat, not for ten, but for the past 15 years."
Disregarding their erroneous application of a linear trend to the warming we'll see, why do they quite blatantly lie about the temperature data given by the UK Met Office? And why do deniers think this is OK?
The Met Office's Hadley Center maintains a temperature record of sea temperatures, and the CRU maintains a land temperature record - combined they make the HadCRUT3 data set. Here is a link to their data:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
I graphed the monthly global data for their variance-adjusted data (several data sets in fact - please note the legend):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56645614@N02/52600647...
(Data has not yet been adjusted for differences in base periods - if you have information on the base periods, please answer my previous question; I'll update this graphic when I can.)
Close-up of HadCRUT3v, past 15 years:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56645614@N02/52606991...
With 1998 as starting point:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56645614@N02/52606991...
When the Daily Mail claims "global warming has stopped" within the last 15 years, do they mean to say:
- a trend of 0.1˚C/dec as measured from this data set for the past 15 years ≤ 0,
- 1998 was 15 years ago,
- using a time frame of 13 (15?) years with the warmest as a starting point is an acceptable and unbiased approach to talking about global warming,
- 1998 is just a "blip" when calling the trend flat, but not at the same time (since 1998 is necessary to have a flat-ish trend in the first place)?
Or do they mean something else that might, I don't know, be supported by the very thing they cite?
And again, why do deniers think that this is an acceptable piece of evidence to quote, rather than the data itself?
Sorry, I was adjusting graphics before I posted this and had replaced the graphic that was going to be in the third link above, without correcting the link.
Mm, actually, refer to the first correction, since that has info in the description about which color line is which.
Bob, would you prefer data from the University of Alabama at Huntsville, collected by anthropogenic climate change skeptic Dr. Roy Spencer?
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56645614@N02/52606991...
Spencer's data actually shows a larger warming trend, and he's a skeptic. Tell me, did he manipulate his data upwards as well?
>>>I don't think the paper was peer reviewed so that means that there is a better chance that it is factual and can be trusted.
Yes, those were my thoughts exactly. It is strange, isn't it, how the greenhouse effect was disproven to exist and yet nobody ever caught on?
Obviously the rational explanation, aside from "the paper has fundamental flaws," is "global conspiracy against it."
However, I do not have the time nor the expertise to try to refute the paper. I will defer to other more experienced regulars here.
Ugh, I hate Flickr...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56645614@N02/52607770...
(sorry Bob - correct link here)
Hi again George, started skimming through your link, and this sentence caught my eye.
>>>According to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist.
Sorry, it's going to take me a while to recover from that very elementary error of forgetting that the Earth's atmosphere is not a closed system and that it moves towards dynamic equilibrium after an enhanced greenhouse effect by gradually reradiating thermal energy within itself until the energy is able to find a pathway to escape through the atmosphere.
I'll also take note that neither of you answered my question.
Ottawa Mike, I'm not sure if you're referring to specifically me when you bring up how this is used to support the CO2 forcing theory - I am aware that this is not evidence itself. The argument that we have been seeing global cooling is what I'm countering. If the Daily Mail really was focusing on statistical significance too, they wouldn't be saying it stopped. You are right that this parallels that interview, and the Daily Mail was just as wrong now as they were then when they say global warming has stopped.
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- TrevorLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
It may help to know a little about the printed media in the UK (which follows on from Dana’s answer).
Effectively there are three tiers. A the top are the serious newspapers such as the Times, Telegraph, Spectator, Guardian etc, these are the ones that provide detailed and in depth coverage of serious matters. At the other end of the scale are the tabloids or ‘gutter press’ and this includes the likes of the Sun, Mirror, News of the World, and the People. These focus mainly on gossip, scandal and celebrities.
In the middle there are only really two papers – the Mail and the Express. The Mail comes in for regular lampooning by satirists for it’s sensationalising of just about everything, it’s running obsession with Princess Diana and it’s policy of blaming just about everything on asylum seekers.
The Mail’s journalists seem to be given an awful lot of leeway when it comes to expressing their personal opinions and as the old Fleet Street adage says “Never let the truth get in the way of a good story”. (Fleet Street being the colloquialism for the British press as this is the street in London where many of them were based).
It’s not at all unusual for the Mail to run with a story one week and the following week have something in complete contradiction. In the example you linked to the Mail proclaimed that “Global Warming has Halted” and yet four days later they ran with the dramatic headline “Climate Change Could Give You Cancer”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-133...
As you’ve superbly demonstrated, the article you linked to is completely bogus and the figures just don’t add up. It’s quite clear to any person who has the integrity and rationality to read beyond the headlines what the true facts of the matter are.
As for why the article is being touted as evidence that global warming has “halted” – it makes no difference how inaccurate or fallacious something is, if it in any way implies that global warming is anything other than induced by humans then it will automatically be accepted, without hesitation or question, as proof that we’re not affecting the climate.
- Dana1981Lv 71 decade ago
Deniers don't have many valid references that they can cite. Basically they'll take whatever they can get.
From my understanding (though I'm not British) the Daily Mail is a tabloid. It's basically a step above the National Enquirer, and it's earned itself a reputation for absolutely horridly inaccurate climate science reporting. I asked a question specifically about the DM about a year ago (in response to some more horrid climate science reporting) and got some good responses from Brits, including littlerobbergirl:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ak7Iz...
My conclusion was that based on its history, when a Daily Mail article is refereneced or read, we should start out with the assumption that it's factually wrong:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Apbw7...
So why do deniers continue to reference this constantly factually incorrect paper? Precisely because it's constantly wrong. The only way to defend a wrong argument (e.g. "global warming has stopped") is with a wrong reference (e.g. a crappy Daily Mail article). At least they're not referencing the National Enquirer....yet.
Note that contrary to Ottawa's claims, this is not a statistics issue. The article doesn't say "according to Phil Jones, the HadCRUT trend from 1995 to 2009 wasn't quite statistically significant at the 95% confidence level." The article says "for the past 15 years, global warming has stopped." That is factually wrong, as is the norm for the Daily Mail.
- ?Lv 51 decade ago
The whole thing was a lie in the first place. There is no Global warming threat. Gore made millions touting such. Get real. The earth goes through warming AND cooling cycles. Ya ain't gonna melt. Have a nice Christmas!
- Ottawa MikeLv 61 decade ago
"Or do they mean something else that might, I don't know, be supported by the very thing they cite?"
I don't know the values (error ranges, confidence levels, etc.) but the following quote in the article might cover it:
"They go up a bit, then down a bit, but those small rises and falls amount to less than their measuring system's acknowledged margin of error. They have no statistical significance and reveal no evidence of any trend at all."
I believe this is exactly what Phil Jones said in his (in)famous interview last year.
"And again, why do deniers think that this is an acceptable piece of evidence to quote, rather than the data itself?"
Both sides quote statistical evidence in a manner that supports their point of view. The thing I don't get is the obsession with these trends as proof of CO2 as the main climate forcing parameter. And for that matter, the correlation lately with temperature has been diverging. I guess skeptics like to point that out and warmers like to fight that.
Arguing with concrete numbers and basic statistics is fun. Arguing with numbers with error bars and using complicated statistical methods is even more fun.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
You are at some point in the near future going to have to face the fact that the warming has plateaued and may decline for a few decades like it did last century and many times before moreover it could take a very very long time to hit the highs of 1998!
Global climate is a very complex system that we are miles from understanding!
- Facts MatterLv 71 decade ago
For the same reason that the so aptly named "George Orwell" is capable of saying with a straight face that Gerlich's garbling of the laws of atmospheric physics is more reliable because it was not peer-reviewed.
"George Orwell", like the Daily Mail columnist that you quote, would feel quite at home working in Big Brother's Ministry of Truth.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Because it's easier to read than a long drawn out scientific paper titled
Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161...
The paper basically uses the laws of physics to disprove the AGW theory.
I don't think the paper was peer reviewed so that means that there is a better chance that it is factual and can be trusted.
- ?Lv 61 decade ago
What "data itself" are you referring to. The "data" that has been fabricated to show warming.
http://www.c3headlines.com/fabricating-fake-temper...
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/ther...
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/why-...
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey...
http://cbullitt.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/all-your-...
Of course you could find a downward trend in temperature at other sites
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/global-...
Or how the warmest temperatures on record were created
- phllipe bLv 51 decade ago
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