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Question about Athiesm beliefs?
Before I get to my question, I just wanted to say that I'm not trying to be snarky or trying to dissprove Athiesm beliefs.
Anyway, I've always tried making overly-religious people understand how Athiesm does make sense, but one question has always caught me off gaurd. When they ask me how the world was created, I explain how the sun had let loose rocks and gas which soon formed the Earth. They then asked me how the Sun was made, and I would reply gas molecules and such. They would ask me where that came from, and I would say space. They then would ask me where space came from/ how it was created.
I've always been stumped because it feels like a never-ending process. The universe had to be newly created at one point, but how? What/Who created that first rock or gas that ended up creating so many universes, according to Athiests?
Again, I'm not trying to say, "Ha! You can't come up with an answer!" I'm honestly curious, and this question has bothered me for a long time. Thank you.
I also wanted to explain that I'm agnostic, so at this point I'm quite confused. I'm not too religious, and I didn't mean to make this question for the full purpose of out-smarting Atheists.
11 Answers
- Pirate AM™Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
You are not quite correct about what you are saying and I suggest that you need to really review some basic cosmology.
Before getting into the origins of the universe, it is very clear that by trying to find some point where we don't know what happened, theists are simply try to use the "god of the gaps" reasoning. There are several problems with this, one is that eventually we will learn more and the gap will decrease and they will push god back further; the second is that this reasoning completely discounts billions of years of evidence that shows absolutely no activity of God or reason for a god to exist; and the third is that it completely ignores the implications that this has on what the Bible claims even if portions are taken as a metaphor - basically it implies that God is a liar and clueless about the universe.
So, to get back to the universe, we know for a fact that the universe rapidly expanded from what we are currently classifying as a singularity 13.72 billion years ago. We know that just prior to the expansion that there was an inflation which was following an asymptotic curve. Exactly why the rapid expansion and inflation occurred is not currently known, but there is nothing that suggests any sort of divine intervention. One of the more interesting possibilities is that the singularity was a white hole i.e. a black hole formed in a different universe and spewed its matter and energy into what became our universe. Another hypothesis is M-theory (the "theory" in its title comes from the mathematics behind it), which postulates an infinite number of universes.
The fact is we don't know exactly -- yet.
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Trust me, the only people that think that questions of this sort "outsmart" atheist or science are those that are clueless about what they are asking and do not understand the implications of their assertions.
- 1 decade ago
Atheism is not the business of providing or making up such answers, and atheists don't all have to agree. This is research in the area of science and up to each individual, atheist or theist alike, to decide on their own if they think the findings of scientific research sound likely.
That said... even if science does not have all the answers (and does not have to), I still trust that it's science, not religion, that's actually actively looking for answers and trying to determine how things came to be. As apposed to picking up a hundred year old science book, pointing to what it says about different things and closing it, content that it's the truth and no effort is needed by them. We'll never be able to say for certain though how it started, we're just one little species stuck on one little planet. Beings in my opinion however are not a logical suggestion.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
The best reply is that atheism is not a 'belief system', and that we can only make statements based on the available EVIDENCE. By following the evidence we can show how this or that happens and that we get the same results when ANYBODY repeats the procedure, but that we also cannot say anything with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY.
Then follow this with: 'however you, as a believer, already have ALL the answers'.
- Gaius PLv 41 decade ago
Exhibit 1
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Q: Who made the laws of nature and the universe possible?
A: God did it...
Q: Who made God?
A: God always existed...
Exhibit 2
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Q: Who made the laws of nature and the universe possible?
A: The laws of nature and the possibility of a universe have always existed...
Q: Ha! You can't come up with a good answer can you?
A: My answer is better than yours (see above) as your God theory (religion) explains nothing! It's a FRAUD... Not having an explanation is ok as this is a problem that seems beyond human understanding. Labelling your solution "God" and then saying He is beyond understanding is so stupid - Please wake up your mind from its brainwashed short circuit.
Source(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor - How do you think about the answers? You can sign in to vote the answer.
- FretlessLv 61 decade ago
Get thee to a science class...
Also, what do they say when you ask where god came from? If their thesis is that everything has to have a beginning, don't let them off the hook with the whole "he's infinite" nonsense. If everything must have a beginning... EVERYTHING must (even their god).
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Atheists need prayers, for example, the holy rosary, so they can know that God exists. The rosary is God's preferred means for converting people.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Honestly speaking, a sane and humble human being will say "No, we are not sure what came first."
However, an arrogant human being will say that he knows for sure someone started all of this.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Turn Inwards.. Turn to kṛṣṇa
kṛṣṇa is the supreme person, the only GOD
kṛṣṇa is the ultimate controller of this material and spiritual energy
Bhagavad Gītā :
He who does work for Me, he who looks upon Me as his goal, he who worships Me, free from attachment, who is free from enmity to all creatures, he goes to Me
" I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in my devotional service and worship me with all their hearts." (10.8)
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Sorry but they don't honestly have a clue.