Doesn't the 4 laws of Thermodynamics prove what the Christians are saying?

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed... seems like the Big Bang is out.

Yeah, it feels pretty good when science and the Bible agree, which is pretty often.

Remember that what people often call laws are really just descriptions of how the universe appears to function. Also, positing a god to supposedly answer a question solves nothing. It just stops you from asking questions.

There are many well-respected physicists, such as Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss, Sean M. Carroll, Victor Stenger, Michio Kaku, Robert A.J. Matthews, and Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek, who have created scientific models where the Big Bang and thus the entire universe could arise from nothing but quantum fluctuations of vacuum energy -- via natural processes.

I know that this doesn't make sense in our Newtonian experience, but it does in the realm of quantum mechanics and relativity. As Nobel laureate physicist Richard Feynman wrote, “The theory of quantum electrodynamics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as she is — absurd.”

For more, watch the video at the link - "A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss

"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today."

— Isaac Asimov

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no, there are tons of specific claims made by Christianity, all the laws of thermodynamics does is tell us how the world works, it doesn't go anywhere near even the idea of a god, but even if it didn't it says nothing about who jesus was, it say nothing about what this god wants us to do, nor how he judges us.

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The zeroth law of thermodynamics allows the assignment of a unique temperature to systems which are in thermal equilibrium with each other.

The first law of thermodynamics mandates conservation of energy and states in particular that the flow of heat is a form of energy transfer.

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated macroscopic system never decreases, or, equivalently, that perpetual motion machines are impossible.

The third law of thermodynamics concerns the entropy of a perfect crystal at absolute zero temperature, and implies that it is impossible to cool a system to exactly absolute zero.

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technically the 2nd law give the theists a big problem regarding the infinate nature of god.

They really, really don't.

Defender of Freedom: Since the Big Bang has nothing to do with spontaneous creation of energy, methinks that doesn't prove anything but your own basic ignorance about what science actually says.

"Second law of thermodynamics: Heat cannot spontaneously flow from a colder location to a hotter location."

....erm how does that or the other three prove a god exists?

No.

I thought religion was all about having ~faith! I thought science was a tool of the devil! Why do religious people insist on trying to use science to "prove" their religion's claims?!

No. The laws of thermodynamics do not address religion at all.

false analogy

Carl Sagan points out that if the second law of thermodynamics were applied to a god, then god would necessarily have to die

The second of thermodynamics easily proves that evolution does not exist.

Let's see, carry the one and add blueberries to Pi...NOPE. Anything that is used against Evolution is nonsense.