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Fellow atheists: Why do you think that so many theists...?
...can't understand the burden of proof. They wouldn't believe a claim that one of us made without any evidence. They make a special exception for their god. If I claim that I speak for God, but that the Bible is false, Christians would dismiss my claim, and rightly so. I have no evidence to back it up. The same goes for Muslims and the Koran, or Jews and Torah, or Hindus and the Bhagavad Gita, etc. My question is, do you think they honestly don't believe that the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, or do you think they believe their god is an exception to the rule?
@thє єnlíghtєnєd σnє I agree with you to a certain extent, but first of all, I don't make the claim that gods don't exist, just that I don't believe in them. When there are certain aspects of a god that I can disprove, the theist then claims that that isn't what they mean by "God." So when I ask what they do mean, they either weasel out, or give me vague definition designed by them to be impossible to disprove.
@Kameron I understand your frustration, but many atheists (myself included) are not making the positive claim that gods don't exist, just that without evidence we don't believe in such beings. For all I know a god or gods might exist, but there are no evidences to support this idea. There are logical arguments, but there are also logical arguments on the other side.
@Angela I don't purposely ridicule the faithful, although I know that many atheists do, that's just not my style. People are free to believe what they want, as long as it doesn't lead to actions that infringe on the rights of others. My problem is when they demand that we prove the position that no gods exist, especially when I myself don't hold that position.
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- WilhelmLv 510 years agoFavorite Answer
Many theists insist on saying atheists 'believe there is no God' as opposed to the correct definition: 'does not believe in God'.
Claim - Burden of Proof
Rejection of Claim - No burden, proof supplied insufficient to convince.
Furthermore,
When you try to convince people they are wrong, you usually need to prove that the opposite of their statement is correct in order to convince them. Most people when defending an argument will demand proof of why the opposite to their statement is correct, picking holes (and completely dismantling their argument) simply isn't as convincing as providing them with proof why the opposite is correct. If you tell someone why Theory White is correct when they support Theory Black, they will probably see reason, however if you tell them that Theory Black is incorrect but cannot prove Theory White is entirely true and they will be unconvinced and remain supporters of White despite all reason for supporting theory White being proved wrong. Even if you are actually a supporter of Theory Grey.
Theists think they know what the origin (before big bang, what created it etc), it is against ones instincts to discard their theory on this and replace it with nothing, as they will have 'lost' knowledge and will have to accept a more limited understanding of the universe. Albeit, their 'knowledge' lacks any evidence and the limited understanding is based upon evidence, though they clearly do not see that.
- DemiLv 710 years ago
This theist understands the burden of proof perfectly well and also understands the logical impossibility of "disproving" something. I'm not big on converting people, let alone doing so willy-nilly, so that would never even be an issue with me at all and I sincerely do not understand why some people DO care more about how many followers their favorite BFF deity has than the quality of those followers. Talk about a great way to corrupt your own faith!
Source(s): Nordic Heathen - MythosLv 710 years ago
I believe many people - theist and atheist - simply do not understand the concept of burden of proof as it relates to legitimate debate.
The burden of proof shifts back and forth from the affirmative to the negative sides in any debate, but since belief in God isn't a policy debate, most questions about who holds the burden of proof are entirely a vexing exercise in infinite regress. Who has time for that?
- 10 years ago
I think you ignore our responses... of course we have the burden of proof. 1) only the subject of mathematics can have proofs- God cannot be proven. 2) We bring up the evidence and reasons for believing. 3) the you say God doesn't exist. 4) We ask for the proof of that claim. 5) You get mad and tell us that we need to prove God exists. 6) And endless debate continues.
I am not making generalizations, but I see this happen a lot.
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- Anonymous10 years ago
No, they believe that atheists, especially on here, are the ones making the claim that there is no God, when they know there is one.
Honestly, I don't see the whole burden of proof argument - if there is deffinite proof that there is no God, just present it and end the argument once and for all.
- Anonymous10 years ago
They do make a special exception for their own god. They always want you to prove to them why there isn't a god because they KNOW there is one. That's just poor logic. None of you possess any special knowledge that I do not. Religious "experiences" are nothing more than a focused exaggeration of your own subconscious or any other type of psychosomatic occurrence or hallucination.
- ?Lv 510 years ago
People have faith in religion bc it provides a proposal on the two questions that cannot be answered: where do we come from and what happens after we die. Why try to continuously ridicule them when religion gives reason for morality. Leave them alone.
- 10 years ago
What ever makes you happy. The empty schism of nothingness awaits the atheist. Eternal bliss in heaven awaits the Christian. Either way, both will get what they want and neither one can prove the other is wrong. Atheism has never been the first choice in any society.
One has to chose the one they desire and makes them happy. Both require a level of faith. Niether one can be proven.
- Anonymous10 years ago
Because the burden of proof gets in the way of their assertions that aren't backed by evidence.
- ScrewdriverzLv 710 years ago
I still think it's indoctrination. Most Christians I know are just to scared to question their belief because it would be "blasphemy."