Doing certain Hindu Rituals in Bharatha Bhoomi and in foreign country, Will the doer receive the same benefits?

1) Kamya Karma:.

All karmas done with some desire in the heart ,or to achieve some selfish purpose are known as Kamya karmas.

Rituals like Sastiyaptha poorthi, or Navagraha Homam or Sri Sudhasana Homan are Kamya karmas.

If these are done in Bhoga Bhomi (other than Bharatha Desam) the benefits will be the same. In fact benefits should be more than done in Bharatha Desam due to Bhoga aspect.

2) Pitru Poojanam: .

If the death occurs in India, all rituals should be done here only. Sastras do not allow the rituals done in a foreign country. First two days rituals can be done by any body. Other rituals shold begin form third day or at least from the ninth day by the first Karta at the death place or on a bank of sacred river . If the rituals up to Sapindikarana are not done by the first karta, everything should be done by the first karta later when he comes, with the then stipulated procedure.

Each region follows its own nibhandhana. In the North, it is the one authored by Kasinatha Upadhyaya. In Maharastra, it is the Mitaksara: it has the force of law and is accepted as such by the law courts. Nirnayasindhu by Kamalakara Bhatta is also accepted as an authority there. In the South, Vaidyanatha-Diksitiyam by Vaidyanatha Diksita is followed. These are the important authorities for householders. Sannyasins follow Visvesvara-samhita. In Tamil Nadu the Dharmasastra means the Vaidyanatha-Diksitiyam.

Vaidyanatha Deekshidheeyam, Asaucham Kandam:

Satya Saucham:

Page 24: Deva Pradishtai, Utsavam, Vivaham, Desa Shobam, in a dangerous condition no asaucham..'

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Yagnavalkya: '..... In a distant country if the death is known no asaucham....'

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Parasarar: '...... Durbhisham, , Desashobam, in a depilatory condition no asaucham ...'

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Brahma Puranam; '....... Those who have migrated to a distant country are not having asaucham.....

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Parasarar: 'Sapindan in a distant place hears the death no asaucham'

Yagnavalkiya: 'Sapindan in a distant place hears the death, snana gives sudhi'

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(i) Bruhan manu

(ii) Bidinasi

(iii) Shadasiti

(iv) Smiritiyarthasaram:

For Mother or father's death, respective of the son in a distant place or in local, son has ten days asaucham.

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Gauthamar: Bala (child), those in a distant country, Sanyasin, are not having asaucham'

(Vaidyanatha Deekshidheeyam, Asaucham Kandam, Veda Sastra Paripalana Sabha, Kumbakonam, Year 1957, Total Pages 334)

3) Death and birth in a foreign country (other than India):

If the death or birth takes place in a foreign country, rituals can be done there itself with desachara followed there by the karta. But for death Gaya Pinda Daan and Badrinath Brahma Kapala Pinda Daan can be done later at Gaya and Badrinath respectively. Kasi and Triveni sangam are also the places to be covered by many.

4) Edited:

(i) Karma Bhoomi::

Bharata Kandam is callede as Karma Bhoomou because the people here believes in Karma!

Bharata Kandam is called with a garland of names which includes Karma Boomi, Gnana Boomi, Yoga Boomi, Moksha Boomi Punya Boomi etc.

In Maha Sangalpam Bharata Kandam is refered as 'KARMA BHOOMOU',

..http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=201...

(ii) Distant place definition:

Distant place is defined in Vaidyanatha Deekshidheeyam.

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Bruhaspati: If the places is separated by a Mahanadhi (big river), parvata (mountain), or Pashabeda (with speaking a different language) the place is called a distant place (desanthram).

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Vamana Puranam. By this definition the opposite banks of a big river becomes desanthram to each other!

This was the case with 300 years ago where one may take few days to reach there.

Now one can reach physically the other side of the world in a day or two. One can contact by phone instantly.

That is why many say crossing ocean now does not remove Brahminhood now a days.

More and more people migrated and built temples all over the world.

Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam covers the entire earth!

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200...

Somebody like Vaidyanatha Diksita, having knowledge and authority is to redefine some of the outdated nibhandana concepts, as done many times during bygone days.

http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part15/chap3.h...

5) Edited:

Death occurs in a foreign land:

Please refer subdivision 3 above. .

Revathy I am not qualified enough to enlighten you but I would like to explain this from my understanding.

Our culture places a gr8 emphasis on bharata bhoomi or janma bhoomi, i.e the land on which we take birth. But many people have no choice but to move to another country because of better opportunities.

Foreign land is apparently a bhoga bhoomi as in a land where we are working, earning and are being benefited. Also we are benefiting the bhoga bhoomi by way of our services and taxes there. (applies to people working away from mother land). Nowhere is our mother land being served in this particular case. Probably that is why they say the rituals done there do not give the doer the same benefit as compared to the ones performed on his own motherland.

Also, they say that various roots and herbs and other ingredients used in homams / havans / yagyas have an impact on the environment where the homam is performed, for eg; a yagya performed for rains or purifying the atmosphere has an effect on the immediate environment.

That means a havan performed in a foreign land is again benefiting the environment of that land and not ur own country. Probably that is why this concept of karma bhoomi palan, not sure though.

But I agree ..God is God everywhere be it in India or be it anywhere else. So in addition to these rituals our intention and devotion matter a lot too.

Revathy could u pls answer my Q also that u starred.. "Relationship of several years ends..."

Some orthodox people and even some Acharyas of mutts, hols such a theory of Bharata alone being karma bhoomi. The absurdity of this notion is patent. The Rigveda exhorting "kriNvanto vishvam Aaryam" and "aa no bhadraH kratavo yantu vishvataH', and several passages from other sacred texts belie this notion.

Every ritual commences with sankalpa-resolution. The whole cosmos is described first then the seven oceans, seven peninsulas, division of this world, nation and sub-divisions of nation and finally the particular place, followed by elaborate description of the time.

If other countries are something of a lesser importance than India, then there would never be "bhadraaH" =auspiciousness, juxtaposed to the shanti mantra "bhadram karNebhiH".

The Ananda RamayaNam describes Sri Rama visiting all places in the world. May be poetic imagination but the hard fact derived is that till then the overseas nations were not considered anything lesser. The universality of the Divinity in the form worshiped is finding mention in Tiruppavai as well as Peria Puranam.

Dollars and pounds as 'paada kanikkai' is gladly accepted by the acharyas but hypocritical propagation of karma bhoomi theory too is done.

Regarding your pundit's observation, of "Shreya phala" and "karma phala", it is at best an evasive answer. At the end of every ritual the 'karma phala' is not retained by the performer by offering it to God, by chanting the slika "kaayena vaachaa.." or "Om tatsat BrahmaarpaNam astu" or the saativika tyaaga " Bhagavaan eva .... aakhya idam karmam svasmai sva-preetaye svayameva kaaritavaan". The famous quote of Bhagavad Geeta too " karmaNi eva adhikaaraH tey, maa phaleshu kadaachana", exemplifies this. When one can not and should not aspire for 'karma phala', the place of performance theory is set at naught.

Any ritual performed anywhere on this earth, with devotion is of same value.

Though I am not at all an expert I just submit my views. For doing some rituals even in India some places are specialized one. For example if we take pindadhan anywhere it can be done but at gaya, prayag Hindus believe these places as most suitable ones. Why- I leave it to experts to explain.

There is also a sect of us believe doing jaba at cattle shed/ hill temple / in the presence of guru/ will have more effect than at any other places and also on particular days like birth star days.

We can view it at negative angle. On earth if everyplace is good for everything why don't a dear dead body buried in his own home. A secluded burial ground is needed for that how much dearer that one may be. Further none other than Hindus see their rivers & land as holy as mother. The Nile & Themes are viewed such as Ganges or Godavari. The cultural difference is so but nothing wrong.

So our bhoomi is always a special one for greater palans hence our great ancestors & riches has left abundance vibes in this part of earth by their spiritual activities and jeeva samathis.

Well I believe not.

The reason is that when it's done in ancient places, it's more powerful..because... it's been done so many times in the history and the vibration level of that location is higher. Even in India this vibration level differs according to the places. That's why some rituals are done in specific locations.

Everywhere, everything is God / Energy. True.

But when you do something earthly...like a pooja which gives "Earthly Benefits" you are doing inside the Maya...or your reality. So that's why this vibration level matters and differs.

All lands are equal as everywhere sages of different religions are born - True, but this gets applied when we do something beyond Maya..like what Bhudda did...trying to realize self

But then doing stuff in a foreign land is not so much different..as long the people involved in this pooja or ritual..maintains there thoughts, concentration in what they do and the benefits they want.

When you do a ritual actually your thoughts at the subconscious level.. gives you the benefits.

Education is for life, not for a living. Give up the false notion that Vidya (education) is meant for acquiring Udyoga (job). After all what is Udyoga? Whatever work you do is Udyoga. Help your parents in the household work. Even that is Udyoga. Do all your work with divine feelings. Then work will be transformed into worship. Work is worship. Duty is God. Modern students want to go abroad as soon as they acquire a degree. They do not realize that what is not found in India is not found anywhere else in the world. Bharat is Thyaga Bhoomi (land of sacrifice), Yoga Bhoomi (land of spirituality) and Karma Bhoomi (land of action). But alas! People are trying to convert it into a Bhoga Bhoomi (land of worldly pleasures). Understand that Bhoga leads to Roga (disease). Students should give up the idea of going abroad; they should serve their motherland. One who does not take pride in one's own motherland and mother tongue is no better than a living corpse. Bharat is the noblest and the most sacred country. Since ancient times, Bharat has been occupying the exalted position of a leader to the rest of the world in all fields of life. It is rather strange that Bharatiyas prefer foreign countries to their motherland, which has such great reputation. Have faith in your motherland and work for its welfare and progress.

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Vasudaiva kudumbhakam is the Hindu concept. So, there should not be any difference in the benefit of doing rituals within the country or outside the country.

But when one starts doing a ritual, in the sankalpa mantra itself, it is said that "Bharatha deshe Bharatha khande, meroh dhakshine paarswe sakabdhe....." which shows the importance of Desha(place) and kaala(time).

Moreover, vedas say that when a Brahmin crosses the ocean, he could not remain a Brahmin at all.

In the above two contradictory aspects, let us avoid doing religious rituals and keep quiet.

Day and Night are not universal phenomenon, as the same is not extended uniformly throughout the world. When it is day in India, it is night elsewhere and there are time gaps between place to place.

To put it in simpler manner in a lay man's language, With the concept of God as omnipotent and for most and above all in the Universe, even if a person thinks abut the God with devotion even for a fraction of time,it is accepted by the God and any prayers/rituals performed anywhere in the Universe must be acceptable to God without any restriction of the territory.

SHREE MAT BHAGWAT GITA; Any ritual if done any where; without the supreme spirit of the supreme nature of the god; ( that which is not only unsurpassable and undecaying; but which is also beyond the reach of the mind and the senses) ; as resting within that embodiment; which is driven with the powers of trinity; or Brahma, Vishnu, and mahesh; or of truth, knowledge, and bliss; will not only always be half done; but also will not give full, complete and whole benefit to the self.

This one is not a reply to your above question, but pertains to your earlier one mentioned by Bull. I think you are Nil on the subject Bull has questioned you, though you may say that's why you asked the question.

Sri Vidya Rajagopalan has given apt comments on your previous question. Have you gone through that???