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Do you believe there is evidence/proof for god?
If so, please post it.
Keep in mind the following arguments have been thoroughly debunked, or are at least well known and not accepted by atheists (such as myself)
-Cosmological/First cause argument
-"Fine tuning" argument
-Your holy book (Note: Things in the holy book CAN count as evidence if there is evidence outside the holy book collaborating its supernatural elements. This means evidence, not 'witnesses')
-'Faith'/'You just know' arguments
-'There is objective moral law' arguments
-'God of the gaps' (Anything that says "well science can't explain anything, therefore god is the most reasonable explanation")
-I MAY be forgetting some.
So do you have any better/newer arguments/evidence that hasn't been presented yet and might actually suffice as sound? Do you have new facts supporting any of the arguments above that I might not have taken into consideration?
If not, then you're probably wasting your time trying to convert most atheists, however if you do, please, provide it. I'm always looking for new information to form a more complete picture of the universe around me.
Oop, did forget one of them:
-Pascel's Wager ("Belief is statistically better then unbelief because god will send you to hell")
...what a well formed and thought out rebuttal in this discussion, XD.
Also adding to the list:
-Plain old assertion
Brett: "You don't have to, but I do."
Kudos, I respect that, if nothing else!
"Also, how did the energy get there? Was it just there? I doubt it. The only thing I can think of is that there is a Higher Being."
And thats fine. However the answer on both our parts is still really "I don't know." Maybe the energy was always there? If it couldn't have always been there why could a god?
"Also, please respect God by capitalizing His name."
To be clear I'm using "god" as the general term for any and all deities as, to me, they're all equal in likelihood and validity. If I was referring specifically to the Christian God, I would.
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- BarthaynLv 610 years agoFavorite Answer
Yes, for proof of the God of Israel please read below:
The Judo-Christian God of the Bible is the One and True God because He is the only God that has withstood the test of time, science, history, and prophecies of the Bible. This can be seen through the Dead Sea Scrolls that were written over 2000 years ago; proving that it with stood the test of time because it matches up word-for-word of the Hebrew Bible today. Verses such as Leviticus 17:14 stating “For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.” and Isaiah 40:22 stating “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”. These verses in the Bible are proven to be scientifically true thousands of years after they were written! The Israelites being enslaved to the Egyptians 3000 years ago and the Israelites spending 40 years in the desert is historically accurate proving that the Bible stands the test of history. And the test of prophecy is being fulfilled right now by the world leaders discussing and making plans how on they, the leaders of the world, are able to unite the world through a global government and economy. This is written in the Bible in verse of Revelation 13:7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” and in Revelation 13:16-17 “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”.
Source(s): http://www.biblegateway.com/ http://www.salvationinjesus.webs.com/ http://www.creationwiki.com/ http://www.thewaythetruth.com/ http://www.endtime.com/ http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm http://freehovind.com/ http://www.rc.net/wcc/readings/parables.htm http://www.drdino.com/ http://www.godandscience.org/ - MeredithLv 510 years ago
Actually these arguements have not been debunked. Let me break it up:
1) Cosmological/First Cause arguement: Atheists use the following arguement "Science has a limit, so we cannot describe what created the particles that created the big bang. Its not a contradiction, its a limitation." This arguement does not work because atheism does not allow 'christians' to use the same logic. AKA, atheists don't allow Christians to use the arguement "God is outside the laws of nature, so we cannot describe how he did ___". Same logic.
2)Fine Tuning Arguement: Actually, even atheist scientists are unwilling to say that the universe came about my chance (beause it would be too chancey) Athiests use the escape patch called the 'multiple universe theory' which makes chance more believable. However, the multiple universe theory has NO evidence to back it up, and thus atheists can't use it.
3) The holy book: Athiests say it is not reliable. However history shows otherwise. In fact, it is considered, by archeologists, to be one of the most accurate historical documents known to humankind. Historians have trusted many other historical documents with much less evidence to back up its reliability.
I could continue but I am tired....
Source(s): studies apologetics. - LundyLv 410 years ago
As an atheist, you should know there will never be any real evidence of god's existence. Which makes this question irrelevant.
EDIT: "And thats fine. However the answer on both our parts is still really 'I don't know.' Maybe the energy was always there? If it couldn't have always been there why could a god?"
Is that an homage to Carl Sagan? I remember watching "Cosmos" and hearing him say something along those lines
- rapturefutureLv 710 years ago
Why do we call christianity a faith !!! Tomorrow morning will you wake up dead or alive !!! You excersize faith every night you go to bed but one day you will wake up dead !!! Some people plan for that day and some people don't want to think about it !!!
But you have made to many assumptions and I hope God has mercy on your soul sometime soon to enlighten you dark mind and soul !!!
This universe is not the only dimension in existance !!! http://spiritlessons.com/hisr_video_transcript.htm
Just one more thought !!! What are the statistics for a perfect male and perfect female to evolve at the same time !!! When you get to the last zero email me !!!
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- Anonymous10 years ago
Of coarse there is no proof. It's a theory. One in which I believe. I tend to believe in God because I do not understand how we are just some explosion. It is highly unlikely, even scientist say so, but they use the Big Bang, because they can find no logical reason on how the Earth was created. Also, there is a 1 in a (unbelievably high number, that I don't even know) that the Big Bang would even be possible. So, I believe in God. You don't have to, but I do.
EDIT:
Also, how did the energy get there? Was it just there? I doubt it. The only thing I can think of is that there is a Higher Being.
Also, please respect God by capitalizing His name.
- 10 years ago
Proving the necessary being-God (No Qur'anic or Biblical Qoutes just LOGIC and REASONING)
Introduction
• Every matter and issue is compromised of two things: a subject and a predicate. A subject is the being and the predicate is what has been applied to the subject. For example: the chair is green - chair = subject, green = predicate.
• To prove the predicate for the subject, the subject has this predicate either from essentially (from its own self) or externally (from something else). Take for example the following issue: the food is oily. The subject, food, must either be oily essentially (from its own self) or externally (from something else). Oil is essentially oil, the food is externally oily. Light is essentially bright, objects become externally bright. Something cannot be bright neither from itself or neither from something else.
• The predicate for every subject is either impossible, possible, or necessary. 1+1 = 3 is impossible. 1+1=2 is necessary/definite. "I am sitting under the tree" is neither impossible or neither necessary - hence it is possible. I could be sitting under the tree or I cannot be.
• If a subject essentially is predicated, it is referred to as necessary. If a subject is externally predicated then it is referred to as possible. Example: The table can be oily or not, bright or dark , in other words, it is possible for it to be bright or dark, oily or not oily.
• The existence of a certain predicate for a certain possible subject means that there must be a necessary subject. Example, if the table is oily, it is definite that there must be something that made it oily. We say the oil is the cause and the table the effect.
Existence as a whole
From learning the above, lets consider the following scenario:
"Existence of things". Either existence is impossible, either possible or either neccessary. We know its not impossible because there is existence. So we are left with the following:
1. Either everything must exist, ie every being is a necessary being and has their existence essentially.
2. Or every being is a possible being where they get their existence from something else (externally).
3. Or either existence is a mixture of necessary beings and possible beings.
Let's consider again:
1. We said necessary beings essentially exist. If everything essentially existed, then nobody should be needy of anything to exist because simply their existence is from their self. But we humans are very needy of other things to exist. And we got our existence from our parents at least, if it wasn't for them, it won't be us here and now. Hence we are being that need something need to exist and hence our existence is achieved externally. And we must conclude that the theory that everything is a necessary being is invalid.
2. If everything was a possible being, it would mean everything needs something else externally to exist. You need your parents, your parents their parents, you grandparents need their parents and etc. We faces an infinite of chain of cause and effect. Where our parents are the cause and we are the effect. An infinite chain of cause and effect does not make sense. Its like this scenario: We are in a race, and everybody decides that they will not start the race until someone else starts and that person says the same thing to himself and will not start until the first person starts. What do you face is a race that will never be started. Same in here, if there is a infinite chain of cause and effect, then there should be no existence, you cannot have infinite chain of need.
3. By falsifying the above scenarios it comes to stand the last must be correct. For if we exist, then there must be a stop in the chain of cause and effect to a being which has its existence from its own self and is not needy of anything - what we call GOD.
Conclusion:
Therefore the conclusion comes to stand that there must be necessary being out there or we would have not existed.
- 10 years ago
Accurate prophesies from more than 1900 years ago about our day that are unfolding before our eyes. Not just a couple, but many.
- Anonymous10 years ago
God is real.