Did Barry Soetoro and Eric Holder conspire, and act in concert a collusion in the "Fast and "Furious" scandal?

I'm not much into the traditional conspiracy theory way of thinking. Meaning I don't think that most conspiracies go from A to B to C, and eventually to an final end result, Z.

I think most conspiracies fall into one of two models.

Model one being government incompetence causes a massive screw up, and the conspiracy is to cover up the screw up. The original screw up was not a part of the conspiracy.

Model two is to see an situation unfolding, which a party can take advantage of, and they conduct a conspiracy to manipulate the situation to their own ends. But, the original situation was not of their making.

I am beginning to believe the whole "fast & furious" situation fall under model two. Obama & gang stumbled upon the whole guns going to mexico situation, and then decided to manipulate it to their advantage. The advantage they were seeking was to gain support for pushing us to adopt the UN international gun control agenda.

So, I don't think this started out as a conspiracy from beginning to end. But, now that it is blown up in their face, they are using model number one.

Absolutely not. This was a one of many mistakes that take place on a ongoing basis when law enforcement and other agency's conduct covert operations be it in Mexico or on the streets here in the United States. It happens . But this idiot, Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) who insinuated that the Obama administration was somehow an accessory to murder for allowing the gunrunning program to occur is way way out of line. My questions is what group of hillbilly Arizonians elected this irresponsible twit. He shouldn't be representing a lemonade stand let along be a Congressmen.

All of the evidence suggests that neither of them were aware of it, much less personally approved it. So that can only mean it was all a giant government conspiracy to take away our second amendment rights. It's just common sense.

Someone had to authorize the operation.

That "someone" HAD to be very near the top in the Obama Administration.

Incompetence more likely

Yes.

What possible reason do you have to hate the president's stepfather that died of liver cancer in 1987?

No they just allowed a Bush program to contiue http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/...

"I do not recall" times 100.

Ronnie Raygun lying under oath.