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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 9 years ago

Jehovah's Witnesses: In order to be a Witness I would have to remain disassociated. What would you do?

I am disassociated. I have outwardly claimed that my father is a Witness Elder and he raped me when I was young. I am not believed.

so In order for me to be reinstated I would have to lie to the Elders and take back the claim against my father.

Would Jehovah be proud of me for this lie

or should I remain faithful to the truth and not recant and stay disfellowshipped or disassociated in order to remain truthful and never be a member of the congregation again but be Faithful to Jehovah.

What say ye

Update:

Baonerge: as usual the fault lays with me. I was 8 and 12 when i was raped. In order to survive I kept my mouth shut like a good Witness it was not until I was older that I spoke out and you can be assurred I did try to have him arrested.

The elders did not believe but they should have when in 1989 another victim came forward and accused my Father of molestation.

So Witnesses...please stop laying blame on me and address the question.

Update 2:

Angelmusic1914: you are in line for Best answer. Your answer is heartless and ridiculous, and well manifests the " Love" among yourselves.

The only thing I have to say to you is I wonder if your attitude would be the same if your daughter or your grand daughter were out in the ministry this saturday alone with my father. Might actually be

Update 3:

SO...The consensus from the Witnesses is t hat I should not lie but buck up and go back and be treated as if I were the errant one and never be reinstated. (by the way they disfellowshipped me after I wrote my letter of disassociation) and suffer in silence while my father gets to associate with all and have fellowship.

Wow

Do you understand that they would NEVER reinstate me as long as I held that my Father is a molester? Do you understand that I would have to watch him interact with small girls and listen to him give Talks and submit to him as an elder...all the While remembering what he has done

How many years would I have to do this? I believe that you know full well as you are typing y our responses to me that your answers are wrong and that you should advise me to never go back and trust in Jehovah to work it out in his time. I wold imagine that the pressure of having to attend meetings under such duress might cause me to actually finally shoot the bastard.

Update 4:

Thank you Witnesses for your honest answers. It reaffirms that your ways are not those of my Lord Jesus who would put his loving arms around me and give me comfort and never expect me to be further abused.

As for Me I will walk with my Lord

Update 5:

@Seth Kagan: I don't see any where in my comments where I am a cry baby or even feeling sorry for myself. I presented a conundrum and asked for what the witnesses thought about it. I can assure you that in a battle of strength of mind and will you wouldn't even be able to cope next to me. I am stronger than most, and rarely feel sorry for myself or whine.

but your comment still makes you look like a first class @ss

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  • 9 years ago
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    Sweetie, I am so sorry this happened to you. Your father is disgusting and deserves to be castrated. I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but I was raised as one. I will not try and stop you from being their religion if that is what you believe though, so here is what I think:

    You can still love your god with all your heart, and honestly, if your god is as loving as many of your ex brothers and sisters believe he is, then (if your religion is true) he will know what is in your heart. Although I think you should report this to the police (although the statue of limitations may be up, I don't know much about the law), if you don't and the elders will not do anything about it, you should not be expected to sit in the same building 2-3 times a week watching him interact with people like he never did anything wrong, watching him talk to little girls, watching him being a disgusting hypocrite. No one deserves to have to see their rapist and act like it didn't happen. Your god does not expect you to, for (again, if your religion is true) he knows that you love him, he knows what you believe, and YOU are the victim. YOU are the one who had to suffer through this.

    YOU are the one who still had the strength to believe when most would have said God had failed them.

    And @angelmusic 1914: You are horrible. You are a disgusting, empty shell of a human being.

    SHE WAS A CHILD.

    "Many of us may live with some event that we wish had never happened. And we may feel that justice was not served. But Jehovah is well aware of all that took place, why it happened, what this has resulted in, and how it has affected out thinking."

    ^^THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ITS ACCEPTABLE FOR HIM TO BE WALKING AROUND NOW. He DESERVES to be in jail! Yes, your belief may be that Jehovah will punish him by not letting him into paradise, but WHAT ABOUT NOW? There are many other little ones in the congregations that could be getting hurt by him. For all you know, your child or grandchild could be getting hurt by him. You don't know the name of this elder.

  • 9 years ago

    In this scenario it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. However, no one and I mean no one should even have to consider this. To be raped by you father, who happens to be an elder no less and then have the other elders dismiss your accusations even after another person comes forward. It a wonder you did not just up and walk away from religion altogether, let alone go out and find the real truth. Yes and you did present the conundrum to the witnesses and observed there fruitful love in action.

    Just a side note, I would love to meet your father and the other elders so that I could express my love.....

    Stay strong and keep the faith. He could only rape the flesh but can't the soul or spirit. This flesh is temporal, your soul is forever.

  • 9 years ago

    This is a heart-wrenching situation to say the least.

    Just to be clear the reason you have to recant is because of that whole two Witness rule - you can't accuse another member, no to mention an elder, unless another person "witnessed" it. Is that all correct? JW Elders have no absolutely no training with sexual abuse and ergo make many errors concerning how to handle it. If you go to them, you will not get what you want - they will just try to make you feel bad about doing the right thing.

    The answer is easy, yet very hard to do. Don't have anything to do with JW's - go to a new religion where you can be happy. Easier said than done, but a scorched earth policy with your past may be in order for you to be happy and healthy.

  • 9 years ago

    The Bible says that the Devil is a liar and the father of it:

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    The price of your membership in the Jehovah's Witnesses is lying. Do you really want to belong to any group that demands that you commit such a serious sin?

    There are many churches that would love to have an honorable, God-focused person such as yourself. I pray that you can let go of the pain and find a new home for your heart.

    ((((Lioness))))

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  • 9 years ago

    You are God's and you need to be faithful to Him and Him alone. I am sorry you have been disassociated from your fellowship. They are wrong, but that's between them and God. God hates lying. Scripture is full of examples of this. A major one is Proverbs 6:16-19.

    Proverbs 6:16-19 (New International Version)

    16 There are six things the LORD hates,

    seven that are detestable to him:

    17 haughty eyes,

    a lying tongue,

    hands that shed innocent blood,

    18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,

    feet that are quick to rush into evil,

    19 a false witness who pours out lies

    and a person who stirs up conflict in the community

  • 9 years ago

    That's a perplexing question, Unsilenced. It seems as though you could choose either to be faithful to the faithful and discreet slave or to the principles they teach, but you can't do both...unless theocratic war strategy is an option.

  • danman
    Lv 6
    9 years ago

    I must say that Sheltie is setting a good example for the many and I mean many jw who have maligned and accused UL viciously of being an outright liar. They have not let up yet.

    To bad the Shelties of the organization do not have more influence over their own brethren...for I can attest this fact, the way a majority of the jw responders on YA conduct themselves brings no honor or good will toward their god Jehovah or his purported organization.

    All it takes is a review of the answers by jw on a daily basis to come to that realization.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Your father will be judged accordingly not by men but by the wrath of God. No need to be part of a money hungry Organization/regime to know that God loves you unconditionally. They are in the wrong not you. They are to blame not you. All you need is God and that is everything. We love you and God loves you dearly. Peace to you my dear Sister!

    Here is a scenario for the one who called Lioness a "cry baby"- What if you were in prison and some 500 lb guy raped you? how would that make you feel if the prisoners called you a cry baby? put yourself in those prison shoes and tell everyone how that would make you feel. Prison, JW Org. hummmmmm do we have a correlation here? interesting.Ignorant responses should not be posted here.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    You ask this question with the wisdom of Solomon.

    The true answer is based on the experience of the perplexing of your spirit, mind, heart, and body as a member of the WT.

    The day will arrive when they will also be perplexed, and the way, truth, and life they live will be determined by the things they do and say today.

    Your reason to place this question in their path is a strong one, and it is a question they truly must answer...if they do not, they will also have no answer for themselves later on. If they do answer from their hearts, it must please God, AND His Son.

    The cruelty of what was done to you those years ago, is only matched by their general disbelief, and condemnation against you for the courage to share the strength of your experience.

    You have what you need for life, it is they whom wait at the well with an empty cup, asking the master for a drink....

    How will they fair?

    Let's see.

  • 9 years ago

    In case your question is for real......

    There is no point in lying in this situations. Jehovah will judge you, not humans. What I would do is go see the elders one more time and try to tell them again what happened. If they don't believe in me, and even if I am disassociated, it does not stop me from doing what a good Christian should. I can still attend meetings, even if nobody is going to talk to me, but that's alright. I can still preach, and preaching is not necessarily just picking up your bag and going from house to house which of course you technically can't do if you are disassociated, there is other ways to give out the good news. You can still have a relationship with God, and all those other things. These are things that are actually expected of someone who is disassociated and wants to come back, so someone who does that, even having been disassociated if that person has truly repented in their hearts then considering God can read hearts, he will forgive that person. You can always try to go to some other place and try to join some other congregations and explain your situation over there, but I am no elder so I don't know how that would work out. But just one question, can you actually be disassociated if you just say your father raped you? No offense but is that all there is to that?

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