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Which of these is more likely?
What would be your response to this scenario:
A roulette table hits the exact same number 100 times in a row.
Would you see that as an example of "random chance"?
or
Would you believe that there had to be some outside force that manipulated the event?
Acid: I take it that common sense is not your strong point. Thank you for avoiding the question.
Lord: Apparently you are not an expert on reading. I did not ask what the odds were, I asked would you consider this event a result of chance or of manipulation?
Tiffany: Another dodge to not answer. I did not ask about probability or anything else. I asked would you view it as the result of chance or manipulation.
Moon: see response to Tiffany.
Smoke. Thank you.
Prince: The universe does not have "unlimited time". It has only existed for 13.7 billion years, many billions of which were spent on early formation. Our solar system is only 4.5 billion years old. What does your calculator say the odds of an event occurring, say like evolution (development from a single cell to a modern species), not just once but for all the species that exist in just the 3.5 billion years life has existed.
It is clear to me that someone is manipulating the wheel.
Robert: Spoken like someone who is completely close-minded.
Robert: Spoken like someone who is completely close-minded.
7 Answers
- PrinceVultanLv 59 years ago
Well the odds are astronomically long, so long in fact that no calculator I own is capable of displaying the number.
But with billions of roulette wheels running indefinitely, it would eventually happen.
If the conditions were controlled then I would have no other choice to assume it was a very unlikely coincidence.
Edit
No the universe does not have unlimited time, but there is an awful lot of it.
Around 100,000,000 galaxies, each with about 100,000,000 stars. Assume that each of these has five planets (this is just an assumption, I don't know how many planets every star has, nobody does) and that gives us 50,000,000,000,000,000 possible places for abiogenesis to occur (abiogenesis is the term for the begining of life, not evolution).
Assume that each has existed for around 4.6 billion years (the same as the earth) and i'd say that life was pretty likely.
My calculator couldn't reveal the results of your roulette wheel analogy, but that's something that has been made up by you, and those odds are therefore meaningless to your argument about the formation of life.
Once life had formed, my calculator tells me that there was a 99.99% chance (ish) that evolution would occur.
- ?Lv 79 years ago
I explained to you yesterday that if a sample size is large enough (such as the universe) highly improbable things will happen.
If an even has a probability of 1 in ten billion, the even is expected to occur one thousand times over a course of 10 trillion trials.
Furthermore, an intelligent agency is not the sole reason why something would occur repeatedly. It could be that an event follows some principle or some cause.
Your "Intelligent agency of the gaps" is showing.
IF The roulette wheel results were TRULY determined by random chance, so long as the sample size supersedes the probability, it can still happen. Improbable does not equate impossible. If the sample size is large enough, even things that are virtually impossible can be expected to happen.
EDIT:
Apparently You can't read. Repost:
"IF The roulette wheel results were TRULY determined by random chance, so long as the sample size supersedes the probability, it can still happen. Improbable does not equate impossible. If the sample size is large enough, even things that are virtually impossible can be expected to happen."
Source(s): Now re-read the answers you received here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuOh7... You completely missed the points I was making yesterday. - Anonymous9 years ago
Since I am an expert at Statistics (among other things), you have to realize that every spin has the same odds of hitting any number so the odds of hitting 100 different combinations of numbers is the same as hitting 1 number 100 times.
ETA: Sorry David. I just answered the question from the main page so didn't realize the context as it was in R&S. I assumed it was in the gambling section.
So yes, I would consider manipulation but only if it was the only 100 spins done. I assume that you are trying to draw a parallel with the creation of the Universe. In that case, this is not a valid parallel since given enough time, there is extremely high probability that you can get the same number 100 times in a row.
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- 9 years ago
It's about probability, not random chance.
Plus, there are many factors that contribute to probability:
How fast you spin the wheel, material the wheel is made out of, friction, etc.
- Acid ZebraLv 79 years ago
Oh look, it's dull dave d with his straw man parade.
Source(s): *throws some confetti* Dave, you're a dishonest twit with the IQ of a turnip. Don't expect me to take you seriously, ever.