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Where does the power come from?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzP41WzhrYA
Is that an example of internal fajing or is it an example of external shock type power?
Keyboard: you know that you're trying to derail my question by posting up links you want to talk about, but not what I want to talk about, right?
Keyboard's evidence in question is two videos by other people. So basically if I post a video of a person drowning, I can claim this as evidence that all Olympic swimming teams are fake otherwise they would have drowned... I don't think so.
A lot of people can criticize but can they do it any better. Since I don't count Keyboard's links as evidence, what would I categorize as a good argument?
Well, if a person wishes to argue that the person in the video, Glen Levy, is not using IP or external power but a trick, they can find several others videos by the same author to make that point. Or do some research. That won't necessarily be a correct argument to make, but at least it would be using real evidence of some sort.
These days, people have gotten into the habit of calling whatever voodoo cult practices they do "science" and thinking evidence means whatever they want it to mean. Basically cargo cultism. If you don't know what that means, the internet does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_It0MXvw0&feature...
Those are not Glen Levy's students. Glen Levy is doing a seminar and those students are somebody else's more or less.
This rather contradicts the convenient explanation that the demo guy is doing it because he has been trained to react that way by previous experience.
Science is a tool. Like any tool, it can be used in a number of different ways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=Bo2q6_...
For those hooked on science, they do not hold a monopoly on such things.
M; Thanks for the description. Your point about the liver is a good one. I have often wondered whether the phone book helps or whether it actually magnifies the reaction. In my experience, most humans have a very low threshold for pain. These things would have far less effect on Shaolin monks. They would have to be used at 90-100% to have a chance of getting through the conditioning of hard muscles.
I use these videos as research material. For people that want to use this in reality, they'll have to do two things: 1. test and 2. integrate.
Keyboard says he isn't derailing my question, just providing evidence. He later writes that his evidence only backs up his claims, which doesn't seek to answer the question in question. I don't know about anyone else, but that is by definition derailing the issue.
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- L-manLv 69 years agoFavorite Answer
It's external,and whenever I try to explain the mechanics,I get thumbs down.They want to lift weights,they want to use "ki" but it's like the guy says, its transfer of energy. Only thing he leaves out is HOW. I will tell you the mechanics,the how,is practicing the mechanics,and improving them. First the force is generated through the strike,and body position. Here's the key part,as the strike hits,its moving faster than the object can remove itself, so it has to absorb all the energy as opposed to depleting it by backing away "with" it at the same time. The stance plus technique prevents any "backflow" of the power.I don't know if this was faked, but yes you can do damage really close up.EDIT.. keyboard is right too,he is giving a heads up,it can be a fake video. But this I know can be done no fakery, so I try to explain as if it was legit on what happens when its real.
- Dave MLv 69 years ago
Can't see the video so I'm throwing in my tuppence worth of ignorance. The power comes from the hips, as it usually does. Although one time a teacher said to me the power you generate actually comes from the floor, no floor to stand on = no power.
- ?Lv 69 years ago
Watch Glen Levy's other videos. There is one that explains the power behind the Hammer Fist. Its Momentum vs Impact.
No, those are not Glen Levy's students. Glen Levy doesn't own a gym but he does hold seminars world wide. He teaches great self defensive techniques using Bruce Lee's philosophies. He's worked with many legends of martial arts like Eric Chen, Bren Foster and Simon Rhee and taught in their gyms. In fact, Eric Chen had the bad luck of trying Levy's Hammer Fist himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_It0MXvw0
The major effect that the hammer fist(at least his minor ones he demonstrates) is that it Winds the person.
Look where the strike lands, on the lower right side. He is punching that energy through the padding and through the lungs. That is why when people are hit, they let out a big breath. Thats Winding, the breath is being forced out of their body and leaves a nasty feeling in their body.
This video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw_cVCOxA64
Watch how the man on the left side of the screen reacts when Levy punches his friend. The man on the right explains how he will feel the energy push him back. When the punch lands, the man holding on the left side is slightly pushed back. The force that the punch generated went straight through his friend and into the man holding his back.
- jwbulldogsLv 79 years ago
Ymir thanks for sharing these videos. They are informative. Try not to get upset by keyboards response. He doesn't agree with anything that he can't comprehend. That is also part of human nature. He admittedly has stated before that he only believes in things that is supported by scientific theory. But he hasn't seen or understood the science of some martial arts techniques.
My sons used to study martial arts. But they stopped. They have enough knowledge to defend themselves from an average aggressor. But since they aren't practicing they might struggle more than they should.
Occasionally I come home a work on a few techniques suing them as my uke.I remember working on some pressure points. I told one of my sons what I was going to do and what part of the body it was going to affect. He didn't believe this.Then it worked as I said it would. Then my son who is very smart and in college said was this the power of suggestion. This is much like what keyboard is saying. even though he is wrong. My son was wrong too.. I told my son I would do a different technique. This time I didn't tell him what is was going to do. Of course it worked again and again. He asked me how come he didn't learn those things when he was in class. I explained that he was young and not responsible enough to teach certain things. If he had continued we would have taught him some of these things. He started saying that he would have continued to train if he was learning this. He thought about returning to training, but he plate is full right now with school full time, work full time and dating....lol
Of course my son would have me do these things on everybody that came around just to see it work on them. I may teach him how to do some of them and then he does it on his girlfriend. Then he will teach her or I will teach her.
One of the other question that comes up is can this be used in a fight. This happens in class or at home. There is always a keyboard around that don't believe and you must prove it to them. The funny thing is that after you show them it works they soon doubt the next thing you teach them and you have to demonstrate that on them too.
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- SiFu frankLv 69 years ago
One thing I noticed is that the book is not against the target. That way it does not dissipate the force rather it transfers it to the target. There is no way to beat the laws of physics.
I learned the one inch punch years ago and it works. No laws of physics are broken you still use force equals mass times acceleration. I noticed in the demo that the target was not in a receiving posture either. making him susceptible to being knocked down.
Source(s): Life - Darth ScandalousLv 79 years ago
Keyboard...
Why do you post that video, that has nothing to do with the OP post video?
Sometimes you give great answers and sometimes you're just a great a/s/s/h/o/l/e.
I am one too! But you are one in a dumb, stupid way.
Your videos have NOTHING at all to do with Ymir's.
You just can't stand seeing that you are wrong... that there are inner teachings. It's okay to be wrong buddy! No one will condemn you for it. At least not here!
- 9 years ago
@Keyboard, for someone that once asked what qualified me in the martial arts, you seem to understand little of what is happening in this video.
Ok, it doesn't look like you're getting many real answers, so this might be a little long.
First off, there's nothing special going on here except maybe that the gentleman being struck is a bit of an over reactor. It's hard to say if it's intentional or not, because this is a video, and anyone can post any thing, but every group does have at least one that tends to over react unintentionally, much like the gentlman in this video.
Secondly, the first strike is a decent example of a hammer fist. The hammer fist is fairly under rated, but can exert tremendous impact with very little training. He starts with a loose hand and clenches his hammer fist at the last second, this allows for a quicker strike and greater impact. The big trick to that first strike, however, is where it landed. Though, his fist appears to strike at about the lower ribs (but possibly the liver), the bottom edge of the phone book gets driven into his liver. You'll notice afterwards, he looks slightly winded and is holding his liver, below his ribs. It doesn't take a hard liver punch to knock the wind out of you; a good one can even knock you out. That's why good boxers strike the liver.
Lastly, the chest shoves that the gentleman grunt towards the end. There are a couple things going on (If he isn't just over reacting). If you watch the demonstrator, he touches the point of impact a lot, he talks, then he suddenly impacts the chest making his student exhale sharply. He's essentially lulling him with his lesson and waiting for a good time to strike. You can get that kind of exhalation out of anyone if you catch them as they're already exhaling. As for the exaggerated motion after the impact strikes, that falls down to either over reacting or his particular training. When you're training, you get used to over reacting to impact, to a degree, because it lessens the impact. Watch a Systema video some time, those guys look so fake, you'll want to turn it off, but that's how they take strikes. A systema fighter that takes a strike to the chest will collapse his chest and ach his back to differ the impact.
My last bit of advice, don't try to learn how to fight from a video, they can fake them so easily, then you're let down when you really need it. Find a good instructor, and experience some real sparring. Don't get tunnel vision either, if you take Karate, and you meet a Boxer or a Sambo fighter, learn what you can, because there's a lot to learn out there if you're willing.
@Keyboard part 2, If you remember, I never asked about my qualifications (I know my capabilities), I was asking about insurance. These are two different factors. My question was, in fact, aimed at finding a cheap enough insurance that wouldn't cost me an arm and a leg if I were to volunteer my time to instruct at a nearby military base gym (to give something back to my former brothers and sisters in arms). Come to think of it, you just can't read and answer a question, can you?
- possumLv 79 years ago
Interesting.
You posted a video of a legit instructor who demonstrated a point of a valid subject.
Keyboard warrior posted a video of trickery demonstrated by a quack.
Yin and Yang, my friend. And you both proved a point:
Martial arts power comes from the proper application of physics and biomechanics. You may call it fa jing, chi, or voodoo if you want. But in the absence of application of physics and biomechanics, you have nothing.
- ?Lv 49 years ago
@Keyboard
Surprisingly, I somewhat agree with you on the videos you posted. However, the guy in the link the asker posted is legit by my standards. Just because you find many fake "masters" that doesn't mean true practitioners don't exist. It's like meeting one MMA coach that is terrible in every way possible then saying "that's it, all MMA coaches are crap."
@Asker
Internal fajing? External power? Why not both. If you believe in qi or other similar energies then there is no doubt that it exists here. However, the sound of the hit also seems like there is quite a bit of external power too. More likely, his qi is what gave the attack the external power he needed to exert force through the book, in my opinion.
- 9 years ago
i agree with Keyboard. If the person wasn't associated with the person doing the demo felt it I would believe it.
Anyway it looks to be fajing