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I have 3 Questions about Triple Citizenship, U.S., Ireland, and Netherlands?

I was born in 1975, in California, U.S. My mother, and Grandparents were Dutch Citizens (Mother Born <1951> and raised in the Netherlands, and My Grandfather was in the Dutch resistance against the Nazi’s, my Grandmother Bornand raised in the Netherlands around 1915) at the time, my Father is U.S. (New York, 1938), and his parents are Irish (Born in the 1889 and 1899, He served in World War I with the Allies). He and I have both served in the U.S. Military (Him Marines, and me Army) and he just recieved Dual Citizenship to Ireland in (2004) through his Parents and I have applied for Dual Citizenship to Ireland as a Decendant of my Grandparents, through Naturalization, I am a U.S. Citizen. I have 2 Questions, one is if my mother naturalized in the 1980’s can I still opt for a declaration (via the Consulate, fees and all) Dutch Citizenship, and do I have to get my Irish Citizenship before Dutch Citizenship to ensure I keep all 3 Citizenships, so as not to cancel out Dutch Citizenship (I read you can keep any Citizenship you had before you recieve Dutch Citizenship, but any new citizenships after and you Forfiet your Dutch Citizenship) (unless for marraige)?

Oh yeah, I also have 3 D.U.I.'s (I don't drive anymore), 2 are Felonies, will that hurt my chances for either Ireland or Netherland Citizenship, The last was 10 years ago (I haven't driven in ten years, I would never sleep again if I ran over a kid or something) and the other felony was 13 years ago, and the misdemeanor was 17 years ago?

Update:

On October 1, 2010, the Dutch did an ammendment to thier law allowing a decendant of a Dutch Mother, and non Dutch father, can opt for a Declaration of Citizenship to Holland if born Before, 1 January 1985. It used to be I would have had to live and work in Holland for 2 years before I turned 25, then I could apply for Dual Citizenship, and if I had done that I would lose my Dutch Citizenship I would have lost it when I applied for Citizenship to Ireland. I don't think this will affect my U.S. Citizenship, will it?

Update 2:

I have a U.S. Passport. (i only mention because of the Felonies)

Update 3:

It's kind of a way to Honor each side of my family and Grandparents.

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  • 9 years ago
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    I am not intimately familiar with the particulars of the application process, but from a general perspective, you can "claim" Dutch and Irish citizenship based on your anchestry. You would not lose nor be required to renounce any citizenship, regardless of in which order you do this, because (a) the Netherlands and Ireland are both EU member countries and (b) because you would claim based on jus sanguinis that you have been a Dutch and Irish citizen since birth. You are not trying to become one: you have been one all along and now only get this documented.

    Your . . . um . . . "criminal" history in the U.S. should not become an issue at all here.

    Source(s): The son of a German mother and a Swedish father, I have lived in 6 European countries before immigrating to Southern California two decades ago. I work as a corporate attorney in Santa Barbara and answering questions here is my way of giving back.
  • 9 years ago

    I can see you've done a lot of research into this matter!

    First of all, having DUI's and felonies on your record is irrelevant in regard to your eligibility for Irish or Dutch citizenship. Those things do not disqualify you from becoming a citizen of either country.

    As far as the option procedure you only need to prove your mother was a Dutch citizen at the time of your birth. Your mom may have lost her Dutch citizenship when she became a U.S. citizen, but she was a Dutch citizen at the time of your birth. Thus, you are eligible to become Dutch by option.

    You are definitely eligible for Irish citizenship through one of your Irish-born grandparents. However, the way you'll obtain it is called citizenship by descent, which is a different procedure than naturalization. It's understandable you are wary of Dutch nationality law and the possibility you would lose Dutch citizenship if you become an Irish citizen afterwards. Because there is no end date on when you can acquire Dutch citizenship by option you are correct to pursue Irish citizenship BEFORE applying to become Dutch.

    You should be able to keep all three nationalities and passports. Please be aware that you have to renew your Dutch passport once every ten years or you will lose Dutch citizenship since you do not live in the Netherlands. To be safe you should apply for a Dutch passport after you successfully become Dutch through the option procedure.

    Note - Your father actually was born with U.S. citizenship (born in the USA) and Irish citizenship by descent from parents born in Ireland. According to Irish nationality law children born abroad to an Irish-born parent are automatically Irish citizens from birth. I've noticed a lot of Irish-Americans from earlier generations seem to be unaware of that fact.

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    EDIT:

    I just wanted to clarify something:

    Your mother does NOT need a current Dutch passport in order for you to apply for Dutch citizenship by option. The requirement is only that she was a Dutch citizen at the tIme of your birth. As long as your mother lost her Dutch citizenship *after* you were born there will be no issue. If she had become a U.S. citizen before you were born you would have no entitlement to Dutch citizenship.

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    Latente Nederlanders - Latent Dutch

    If a person has a non-Dutch father and that person's mother had a valid Dutch passport at the person's birth, but she subsequently lost her Dutch nationality, is that person a member of the latent Dutch?

    Probably. In most cases a valid Dutch passport does mean that the mother also held Dutch nationality at the time. However, in a handful of cases a valid Dutch passport is NOT in and of itself proof of Dutch nationality. If the loss of Dutch nationality happened before the passport expired and before the person in question was born then the mother could be in the rare situation of having a valid Dutch passport but no longer be a Dutch national when her child was born. Knowing when the mother lost her Dutch nationality will be important to determine whether the person in question is indeed a latente Nederlander.

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    What is a latente Nederlander/latent Dutch?

    A person who meets the following conditions:

    - mother was a Dutch national when the person was born;

    - father was not a Dutch national when the person was born;

    - person was born before 1 January 1985;

    - person is not a security risk (i.e. in the last 4 years not served a prison sentence or been subject to other serious legal sanction or currently be the subject of a a criminal prosecution); and,

    - person did not obtain Dutch nationality between 1 January 1985 and 31 December 1987 through the option procedure and then subsequently lost that Dutch nationality.

    Source(s): My wife is an Irish citizen by descent from her Irish-born grandfather. The whole application process took 14 months but now she has citizenship and an Irish passport.
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