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Question about ancestors' nationalities and one's own identification?

How long do a person's ancestors have to live in a place for that place to be considered their ethnic background? For instance, I'm an American and all sides of my family have lived in America since colonial times. Prior to that, most of them came from Ireland and Scotland. At what point is such a ancestral background considered just American and not "Scotch-Irish"?

Or say a woman's ancestors lived in Holland for centuries, but her grandparents moved to Mexico, her parents were born in Mexico, then they immigrated to the US, where she was born. Is she considered Mexican, Dutch, both?

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  • Maxi
    Lv 7
    9 years ago
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    I am sure you will get differing opinions....from a British view which covers Ulster Scot ........ not Irish Scot, as they are not Irish....that is another pure Americanism

    From this side of the pond you are an American with Ulster Scot ancestry, you are not UlsterScot American ( or Irish-Scot American)..........

    If you were born and brought up in American you are American that is it .....

    If your parents were Ulster Scots then clearly your ethnicity would mainly be American however your family would bring Ulster Scot into the home....and real UlsterScot ethnicity not the American version of what Americans think is Ulster Scot customs, cultures, etc you would also say Ulster Scot, you would NEVER say Irish Scot as it is offensive to UlsterScots......so another clear indicator

    If your parents and grand parents were born/brought up in America then you have no Ulster Scot ethnicity ......now I am sure you think you have Ulster Scot ethnicity however it will be purely from an American point of view nothing to do with ethnic reality of Ulster or Scotland......... so you wish to be 'associated' but it is image rather than reality.

    It happens in America as it is a 'new' country but it does have to stop and America has to realise that they have to admire their own culture, customs etc that they have developed ( like that culture/customs or not) as Canada and Australia are also 'new' countries and they have matured...you don't see Australians claiming Greek Australian, Irish Australian...same with Canada...to me that means they accept who they are , where they live, have maturity and taken responsibility..................for some reason America seems to either want to hang on and it can be viewed ( from this side of the pond) as selfishly wanting a bit of other countries, or that they have not grown up , can and is seen by many as offensive or rude in assuming that even though their ancestors left European shores to escape war, hunger, prison etc they gave up their nationality and never looked back, so why should their off spring several generations later think 'they' have any 'rights'.......so I am sure my answer will not be popular, however it is honest, which is what I am and from a perspective of 'old country' and hope I have explained why ..................

  • 9 years ago

    I see you don't know the difference between nationality and ethnicity. You should try looking up the difference. Basically nationality has to do with whatever passport you can get. The woman's ethnicity is Dutch but her nationality is Mexican. To get the Dutch nationality she has to look to see what the Dutch nationality law says. In the 80's someone with Dutch grandparents or parents could get the nationality, it didn't matter where that person was born. I know the requirements have gotten stricter so I don't know what it is now.

    Sorry I forgot she was born in America, so her nationality is American and her ethnicity is Dutch.

    If she wants the Dutch or Mexican nationality because her parents and grandparents where born there she has to look up what the Dutch and Mexican nationality law says. You can't have three nationalities I think, I only know of having two nationalities. So it's usually a choice if you have the right to get all three, which one would you choose? Some countries don't allow you to have more than one nationality. So you have to see what the American nationality law says about having more than one nationality.

    The answer for your other question is basically the same. Your ethnic background will remain your ethnic background. Maybe centuries from now people will have another answer to this question.

  • 9 years ago

    Actually the term Scotch-Irish does not necessarily mean someone who is part Irish and part Scottish. That is a term that was applied to Protestant Ulstermen who came to this country during colonial times. Their origin was Lowland Scotland. In the U.K. they are referred to as Ulster Scots. They were planted in Ireland after the flight of the O'Donnell and O'Neill earls. They had already been pushed off their lands in Scotland.

    How you identify your ancestry is how you feel about it. Your nationality is no doubt only American but your ancestry can be a number of things. Most of my ancestry is southern colonial. I had immigrant ancestors that came from Ireland about 1800 and a set of great great grandparents and a great grandfather(who was only 5) that came in through New Orleans in 1853. So frequently I just call myself a Pedigree American Mutt. The colonials came from England, Northern Ireland, France and some were Alsatian Germans and I had an ancestor from northeast Europe all before there was a United States of America.

    However you want to refer to your ancestry is your business.

  • Your nationality is independent of any of your ancestors.

    Only 5% of Americans can trace their ancestry back to Colonial times; it is very doubtful if all of one's ancestors lived in Colonial America. 10 generations ago that would require 1,024 ancestors (just for that 10th generation).

    Scotch-Irish has 2 meanings: one would mean one parent was Irish, the other Scottish. Or, the second meaning, a blend of people referred to as Scotch-Irish. In either case, if such persons moved to the States, their children would be neither Scotch nor Irish; or Scotch-Irish. They would be Americans (citizens, not American. To be American IAW www.census.gov, a person, both parents, and all 4 grandparents must be born here.)

    The woman with Holander ancestors, being born in America, would be an American citizen. Whether she is of Netherlander descent or Mexican descent depends upon whether or not the parents or grandparents were of Mexican or Hollander descent.

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  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    My family has also lived here since colonial times. I consider myself American with mostly English/Native American/German ancestry. Anyone who is a U.S. citizen would be right to call themselves American. I think those who were born and lived in another country before they became an American citizen, tend to identify more strongly with their native culture and roots. The further removed you get, as in future generations, the natural tendency is to just think of yourself as American, but often with a certain pride or interest in your ancestral background.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    Established for your nickname, i might say you are Italian. So with the aid of traveling Italy and asking the persons there in the event that they recognize your household. You can take a cruise in the Mediterranean Sea and consume meatballs and spaghetti and drink red wine and schmooze with the locals. I am certain there's a wealth of expertise in Italy about your loved ones.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    I would have to say its when a generation has lived in a certain place for a long time.

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