A question for Atheists regarding faith?

We are all agnostic, whether theist or atheist (regardless of what we claim)

You are incorrect in describing an atheists viewpoint as being one requiring "faith". It does not require faith to not believe in an unproven theorem (e.g. a god exists). IF it was proven that a god does exists, then it would require faith to bot believe in them.

It requires no more faith to not believe in god then it does to not believe fairies, pixies, and leprechauns.

Thanks for the respect. Back at ya

No atheist I have ever talked to has said that believe there is absolutely no deity. Many have said they do not believe there are any gods because not only is there no evidence for them, but there is evidence against that as well.

I would count myself as being a very strong atheist, I do not think it possible some creator created the universe, but its not on faith, because we have zero evidence of anything supernatural event from ever occurring, further more, every time that a supernatural event has been examined, a natural explanation was discovered.

Sure I can allow the possibility that a supernatural force may be discovered, but we are not there yet.

So I am justified in saying I can see no possibility of a deity having created the universe just I am justified in saying I can see no group of angry pixies created it either. We might in future discover those, but we are not there yet either.

I know we do not have all the answers or absolute knowledge, however we can for the moment rule things out based on what we do know.

And I can be convinced to change my mind as soon as any peer reviewed evidence comes up.

Its not based on faith or dogmatism, its being intellectually honest

This:

"I would like to know how you can be upset, angry, dumbfounded etc. with Christians for having faith in something they have no scientific evidence of, when Atheists also only technically have faith (strong belief) that there is absolutely no deity that could have created this universe without any concrete evidence to verify it."

is called a straw man argument.

Sigh.

There's no "faith" in atheism. It's a LACK of belief in claimed gods -- not a "belief" there is no god of any kind. Certainly not any "belief" that no deity could have created the universe or anything else.

"I respect your beliefs..." You shouldn't -- there are no beliefs in atheism to "respect."

And I don't get upset or angry at what silly things people have "faith" in -- I care about their actions in the real world we all share. When they use their "faith" to harm the real world, that upsets me. If they'd keep their "faith" to themselves, I wouldn't care one bit -- though I'd still point out how ridiculous it is, because it is.

The universe (and stuff in it) exists. We can rationally ask the questions, "Did it begin to exist? And if it did, how did that happen?" If you start by honestly saying you don't know, then look for evidence to SHOW how it began to exist (and if it did), then you're doing rational inquiry. We humans have been doing that now for around 400 years. In all that time, no evidence of any kind has been found to show any "god" exists or ever created anything -- so there's no reason to accept or "believe" or "have faith" any claims saying one exists and created things. No "faith" is required to be honest and accept what evidence shows.

Peace.

Answer Number one:

WHY do you assume atheists are "upset, angry, dumbfounded etc. with Christians for having faith "?

MOST atheists (me included) don't give a flying rat's a$$ what people want to believe.

But if you are going to try and FORCE me to follow your ignorance by passing laws that can deprive me of my property, rights, or freedom?

Hell YES I am going to be "upset, angry, and dumbfounded ".

Wouldn't YOU be?

Answer Number two:

"Atheists also only technically have faith (strong belief) that there is absolutely no deity"

NO, dope, and you have been told this over, and over, and over again....at first we assumed you were ignorant as to what an atheist is, but, it is beginning to appear as if you are too stupid to understand a simple, basic concept.

An atheist has a lack of faith. So, a person, who has a lack of faith, cannot have faith.

Get it, dope?

Answer number three:

"I respect your beliefs."

NO, Dope. You cannot respect something i DO NOT HAVE.

"I just don't understand how you can say with complete certainty that there are no gods".

Maybe because WE DO NOT SAY THAT.

We say "You have no evidence, and until you can produce some, we will consider your God the same way you consider Leprechauns".

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I apologize for calling you a dope and stupid, but, you are going to find through out your life, if you say stupid, dopey things, over and over, invariably, other people are going to call you a stupid dope.

There is a cure for this:

Stop saying stupid, dopey things.

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=Sigh=

I tried. I really did.

I asked you nicely to stop saying dopey, stupid things. But, you can't stop it.

You must not be able to help yourself.

Tell me: What does my "Having faith that if I call my Mother to pick me up that she will if she can" have to do with NOT having faith in a God or Gods?

OR: Are you saying that you are in the "Religion of Non Thor-Believers"?

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Well it is not so much about of what they believe in that gets me upset, angry, dumbfounded etc but because they come to us and try to convert us to their religion without any evidence to support their claim. I mean if someone were to approach you and say they are the wallet inspector, would you willingly give them your wallet solely on the fact that he claims it. You probably would also think of them as a thef or lyier which is what atheist sometimes think of some religious people.

We're not. You're misrepresenting us completely.

We're upset with the damage caused BY believing in something without scientific evidence.

Perhaps you're familiar with the abstinence only form of sexual "education", and how it leads to more teen pregnancies than otherwise?

Perhaps you're familiar with conservative Christians trying to defund Planned Parenthood and strip women of their reproductive rights?

Perhaps you're familiar with creationists trying to create a false controversy between evolution and "intelligent design" in order to wedge it into public education?

Perhaps...you're familiar with the Spanish Inquisition? What about the dark ages? Salem witch trials?

These are all things belief in something without evidence is responsible for. Of course, not attributed to Christians obviously, but let's not forget what believing in something without evidence caused on September 11th, 2001. .

Curious, who's "upset, angry, dumbfounded etc. "????

I don't give a flying fig what someone want's to 'believe' as long as they do no harm in its name or expect everyone else to live by their religious 'beliefs'.... they can worship holy fire hydrants for all I care...

I claim there is no real evidence for one.. nothing more or less. But until some is provided, I have no reason to anticipate there is... anymore than 'believing' there is a monster under my bed....

IMHO

I don't say with complete certainy there are no gods. I say with complete evidence there is nothing to support the fact that there is. Only wild guesses and fairytales. I need something a little more substantial than that.

I'm an agnostic atheist like yourself, and that position requires no faith. If there is no evidence for something then there is no valid reason to believe it. Saying god doesn't exist is no different then saying leprechauns don't exist.