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Trinitarians: Jesus becomes a citizen of his Fathers' kingdom. How is that co-equal?
1 Corinthians 15:28 "Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere."
A "non-equal" trinity teaching is something I've not heard before. What does it mean then?
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- Anonymous9 years agoFavorite Answer
The term "co-equal" in the trinity doctrine does not refer to voluntarily-offered authority. It refers to divine supernatural capabilities.
If we are partners in a business - contractually and legally equal partners in the business - and I voluntarily give you authority over executive decisions (making you the CEO), and you voluntarily give me authority over financial decisions (making me CFO), that does not make us less than equal business partners. That makes us equal business partners who have agreed to divide the labor and authority between us. That is: it makes us equals who have agreed between ourselves to take on different roles in the business. We can change that arrangement by agreement at any time because we are still equal business partners. We can even swap roles (as is described in that verse) and still remain equal partners. No matter how we agree to divide or organize authority in the business, we would always be equal business partners with (legally) equal say in the organization of the business and in the profits.
To put that very simply: "co-equal" does not mean "always equal in authority without one ever agreeing to submit to the authority of another". "Co-equal" means "equally God, equally powerful".
- ElijahLv 79 years ago
Not only does 1 Cor.15:28 show that Jesus subjects himself to God, but Jesus is phrased as a separate and distinct individual FROM God. This is in conjunction with the divine headship arrangement where God is head of Christ just as a man is head over woman:
1 Corinthians 11:3 says, "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." (New International Version)
Simply put, according to the Bible, Jesus is not God but instead is just as the Bible describes him: God's only-begotten Son (John 1:18)
- RossLv 79 years ago
Being part of a trinity does not mean the son is equal to the father. Trinity does not imply all members are equal.
- MoiLv 79 years ago
Jesus stated himself that he is not equal to his Father
Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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- 9 years ago
The trinity is not from the Bible.
It is a man-made doctrine.
Here is a video, that explains the trinity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyF2LuSbvk0
it is only 3.37 minutes.
- 9 years ago
Because although the Son and the Holy Spirit are equal to the Father, they willingly submit to the Father.
- Bamboo tigerLv 59 years ago
Is Jehovah in the “Old Testament” Jesus Christ in the “New Testament”?
Matt. 4:10: “Jesus said to him: ‘Go away, Satan! For it is written, “It is Jehovah [“the Lord,” KJ and others] your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”’” (Jesus was obviously not saying that he himself was to be worshiped.)
John 8:54: “Jesus answered [the Jews]: ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.’” (The Hebrew Scriptures clearly identify Jehovah as the God that the Jews professed to worship. Jesus said, not that he himself was Jehovah, but that Jehovah was his Father. Jesus here made it very clear that he and his Father were distinct individuals.)
Ps. 110:1: “The utterance of Jehovah to my [David’s] Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’” (At Matthew 22:41-45, Jesus explained that he himself was David’s “Lord,” referred to in this psalm. So Jesus is not Jehovah but is the one to whom Jehovah’s words were here directed.)
Phil. 2:9-11: “For this very reason also God exalted him [Jesus Christ] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. [Dy reads: “ . . . every tongue should confess that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.” Kx and CC read similarly, but a footnote in Kx acknowledges: “ . . . the Greek is perhaps more naturally rendered ‘to the glory,’” and NAB and JB render it that way.]” (Notice that Jesus Christ is here shown to be different from God the Father and subject to Him.)
Who did Jesus direct prayers to, and who did he tell us to worship?
(Matthew 6:9) 9 “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.
(Matthew 7:21) 21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
(John 4:21-24) 21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, The hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will YOU people worship the Father. 22 YOU worship what YOU do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”
(John 17:3) 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
If we imitate Jesus we will also worship the same God as he does:
(Matthew 27:45, 46) 45 From the sixth hour on a darkness fell over all the land, until the ninth hour. 46 About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “E′li, E′li, la′ma sa•bach•tha′ni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
(John 20:17) 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”
(Romans 15:5, 6) 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(1 Corinthians 15:24) 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.
(2 Corinthians 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,
(1 Peter 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(Revelation 1:6) 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.
So who is Jesus?
(Luke 1:35) 35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.
(John 10:36) 36 do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?
No where does the Bible say “God the son” or “God the Holy Spirit”, but instead it say God’s son, and God’s Holy spirit.