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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 9 years ago

If consciousness does exist as a field and our brains are detectors making illusioned perceptions of self...?

...then individual consciousness is still tied to brain activity, and biological death would end the existence of individual consciousness, unless the energy pattern of the individual mind which creates an illusion for itself manages a way to sustain itself with the brain to supply energy...

Is this conceivable due to the illusioned ego not willing to let go of itself, and shear willpower of the illusion manifests to derive energy from the surrounding environment?

Update:

"this doesnt sound scientific"

- That's because it's philosophical based on recent scientific studies, which are not yet properly called conclusions. I'm just a step ahead of them.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/409189#i0,p0,d0

Update 2:

"being reabsorbed into a cosmic consciousness network"

- "unless the energy pattern of the individual mind which creates an illusion for itself, manages a way to sustain itself withOUT the brain to supply energy..." Sorry, mistakes get by.

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  • 9 years ago
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    The idea is conceivable. But the question is still HOW would the mind/identity maintain itself without the structure and "hardware" of the brain.

    Now... if we're all part of a computer simulation, then that identity algorithm could be transferred to another part of the mainframe or into a different program, or onto a storage device, possibly to be reinserted later.

  • Alex
    Lv 4
    9 years ago

    The brain uses it senses as a way to understand and detect its surroundings. now the brain making illusioned perception of self yes it does as people use their knowledge to define and understand themselves. Yes with the death of the brain which gives consciousness then the "existence" of that person is dead. Ur explanation means that can a person's will to live and not die cause a person's consciousness to be tied to its surroundings and become a part of it since its brain will be dead. Well that is more like a Native american spirituality where a person's spirit will become the land itself and not as scientific as u make it to be but there are scientific studies that if a person dies if they can leave a sort of energy on the place of their death. It isnt very scientific but scientist are making these studies to explain the supernatural but so far they are inconclusive or hold little evidence.

    Source(s): Atheists
  • 9 years ago

    How about:

    Our mind is in our soul, which is in our body. When a person undergoes, what is called an out-of-body experience, the view is out of the body, often looking down at the body.

    The mind is contained within the soul, and is jealous for the body, with a desire to protect it.

    If the mind were not contained, and were a "field", it would continue to expand until it would be out of touch of any essence of the individual. The person would be no more. But the dynamics are different, and the soul is the container.

    The soul, with the spirit of a person, gives life to the body, that is given a destiny from its creator, while still in the womb, Jeremiah 1:4-5.

  • Lori
    Lv 4
    5 years ago

    I don't necessarily believe in the afterlife, or in any form of a spirit. That said, you're statement is incorrect. "How can our consciousness exist without our brain? If you know that the brain is the only place where we find consciousness, where can our memories go after we die?" We don't know that the brain is the only place where we find consciousness. No one actually fully understands consciousness, there are many theories on it, but there is nothing generally accepted about it. We don't know that our consciousness and brain are codependent. Now, as to where our memories can go after we die; I don't have a clue. If we have consciousness that can be separate from the body, then it either had to be able to be in the same place as somethign else (presumably our brain), or exists wherever there is space for it.

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  • 9 years ago

    Your logic is faulty but you are close. The brain may be or not be a recording device and the mind may be dependent on the brain but you are not the mind, you are Consciousness itself not dependent on anything to survive. You are not reabsorbed into the One Consciousness that is God because you were never separated. Separation and re-absorption is the Western view while the Eastern view is that we have always been absorbed but that as Sri Ramana Maharshi said, "You don't realize it due to your restless mind and your perverted way of life.

    To me, the Indian philosophy of Advaita Vedanta makes all Western Philosophers and their philosophies appear as scribblings of a 5 y/o child. The peak experience of Union with our True Self cannot be proven to someone else but it can be proven to the individual himself through direct experience. The books of Mouni Sadhu and the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi have no equals. The experience of the Realization of the True Self is described as Sat Chit Ananda, Truth, Consciousness, Bliss and that was my experience when I was there.

    You have to leave a dependence on Western Science and Western Logic. Logic itself is good but highly limited. It depends on axioms which are unproven but accepted anyway. Science used to be dependable but today has become a religion itself and has unproven theories which are considered dogma and if not verbalized as true the scientist is excommunicated.

    Source(s): Books of Mouni Sadhu, and teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi. Lived in a Jnana Yoga Ashram for 2 years. Taught by Tibetan Llama. The Holy Bible which holds all secrets and truths but sometimes in veiled form.
  • Conceivable? Depends on who is doing the conceiving. We don't understand consciousness. We understand it as far as it's controlled by the brain ("smash brain, stop external evidence of consciousness") but that's it. We don't know what causes awareness. We don't know if choice exists or not. To the extent that we pretend to know, we are making faith based conclusions that go something like this: "Science seems to have all the answers so it must be able to answer this as well and it probably goes something like this (produces a model of 'emergent properties') so we'll just assume that's how it all works and pretend like we've proven it.".

    We simply don't know enough about awareness to know how the hell it really works. If anyone wants to argue with me that consciousness is completely a cause and effect phenomenon, then I will point out that they are not in fact arguing with me since neither they nor I exist except as illusionary concepts resulting from things 'they' had nothing to do with. Just electrons and nuclei and electromagnetism and so forth doing what those things do. You can't take credit for any action or failure of action if you presume that are merely a collection of effects.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    *sheer Bytch

    ((smacks Trina)) the F

    I've heard they are working on a way to keep the brain alive after death by removing it from the head and keeping it alive some way.So "you" are your raw brain hooked up to a bunch of computers.

    I'd be like "finally, the good life!" lol

    It could progress into a technology where the body is a robot, and the brain in the head is in fact a human brain! The body it came in is long gone of course. And you could live forever, your brain deciding how to upgrade the body parts of the "body" that is in fact a robot that you your brain lives in.

    Interesting?

    thx 4 those ba's

  • 9 years ago

    The premise is a bit of a stretch! Consciousness requires a living brain. There is not and never will be a way to separate consciousness from the brains of individuals.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    What's the difference between your standard vanilla death and being reabsorbed into a cosmic consciousness network anyway? Both are total death of the ego.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    If our consciousness could be downloaded onto a computer we would know more, although it is a kind of circuit, biologically speaking it wasn't designed to be understood it just evolved that way.

    It doesn't have to have a meaning it just serves a porpoise or something else aquatic so only the reptilian aliens that cloned us for slavery would know.

    Sorry I couldn't access link.

    Source(s): I like your thinking
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