Did the rings of Saturn exist before Galileo saw them?

> "Did the rings of Saturn exist before Galileo saw them?" <

Of course.

You're failing to see the irony of what you just posted. The rings existed, but Galileo needed proof of them (the telescope) before he could convince anyone else that they existed. But even with visible proof, the man was still persecuted by the religious for his findings.

First of all you are only talking about the Christian god.

Most people on earth (or that have ever lived) are not Christian and do not subscribe to your brand of superstition. What if you are wrong in your assumption that the judeo-christian god is real?

Also, you are using arguments from a book, which by atheist reasoning is a work of fiction, so no matter how many references you use from a work of fiction it does not prove anything in reality.

So, if you are attempting to make an objective point (as "mt75689" said atheists are incapable of doing), then maybe you should actually be objective in your reasoning.

you do no longer % an noticeably extreme-powered telescope to make certain the jewellery. yet, you do % a fortunate time while the jewellery are tilted purely so. I particularly have used a 10-inch reflective telescope. uncertain what magnification it became yet a million/2 the moon crammed the optic. Jupiter gave the look of relating to the dimensions of one / 4 and Saturn gave the look of relating to the dimensions of an erasure on the tip of a pencil, and, i could desire to make certain the jewellery. the element that I bear in mind maximum became how in a well timed fashion all of the heavenly our bodies moved outdoors the viewing attitude of the telescope lens.

Do you remember the story of Kwan Yin, the Chinese goddess who refused to leave the world until every single soul had achieved Enlightenment?

I think of God that way, that He will not leave any of His precious children behind, even if they are currently in the darkness of ignorance. Even if it took a million years, the slow unwinding of mistaken thought patterns and silly desires can proceed for all souls, and they can ultimately be reunited with Him.

For this reason I don't envision any situation where it is "too late" to come to that Great Understanding.

Much of what you said is very true and well written, and my only difference in opinion is that there can be a time limit on the wisdom and mercy of God.

Of course if convincing evidence of God (I assume you're referring to the Abrahamic God?) showed up and slapped every scientist in the face, it would be undeniably perverse to reject it.

The thing is, your explicit assumption is buttressed by a predisposition towards Christian faith. You knowingly dismiss the existence of approximately 2,999 other deities which could be responsible for the creation of existence as we know it.

the rings existed before gallileo discovered them. if he had not discovered them they would still exist. if god is out there, then he exists, whether we can ever find him or not.

that being said, up until the point that those rings were discovered they were inconsequential in any argument. same thing with god. until we can prove him, he dooes not matter, neither does jesus, neither does the bible

Yours is a silly question. Obviously, the rings would have to have been there before he saw them, because he saw the light reflected from them long before. I do not know how many light-minutes Saturn was away from Earth at the time he looked (consider orbital positions) but obviously it had to be before.

Great stuff, but you're expecting a lot from atheists. It's biologically impossible for them to think objectively. They can only make the false claim that they do.