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Christians only, no athiests!!?
Ok, fellow atheists, now that I have your attention, I'd like to start by saying I'm also an atheist, so this may sound awkward, but my real question would be "Do you agree on this?"
Religion is the base for science, bear with me on this...
If we look at religion from an objective view, I'd dare say religion merely implies a shield to what is unkown to man. Notice how in the past, most gods are attributed either supernatural or natural properties that at the time are unknown, but have nonetheless to do with extreme natural phenomena.
We all know theists have a way of answering each and every single question they lack a proper answer to with "God did it." This, from a psychological perspective, puts their mind to rest, because as conscious beings, we fear what we do not understand. Take darkness for example, we do not fear darkness, we fear what may be lurking in the dark, and all we need to do to put our fears to rest is merely turn the light on. I believe the exact same concept applies to universal phenomena. The difference between atheists and theists is that us atheists perhaps have greater curiosities, and either feel comfortable with simply saying "I don't know" or take matters into our own hands and we study the Universe.
Therefore, religion is the most primitive form of science. Even if it stops by closing your eyes and answering everything with "Goddidit", this is an answer they believe as true, so to them, it is knowledge.
What do you think? I feel that if my atheism is well founded, not even myself would be able to prove it wrong, not even when you try to support the other side of the argument.
Gazoo, wouldn't getting better at hunting be merely the result of evolutionary success? I mean, yes, a weapon is technology, back then a bow and arrow used to be like a gatling gun, or even the use of fire is technology, but would you not agree that evolution has provided for adaptations WAY more badass than the best technology we could ever come up with?
Rene, To make the absolute statement of "God does not exist" is indeed intellectually dishonest. However, there is a huge difference with that statement and simply not accepting the idea of his/her existence for no reason whatsoever. This is what we atheists try to get across as a message, there is no reason to believe your or anyone's god exists. WE DO NOT MAKE THE ABSOLUTE STATEMENT "GOD DOES NOT EXIST." We simply reject the idea that he does, just because and for no reason backed up with evidence whatsoever.
Fireball, babe, why do you say I'm ranting? I've shown no foul language, I have not insulted anyone, I am merely exposing my position to those I consider educated. I am also asking them to provide me with theirs, which is never done during a rant. Do you not agree?
alwbsok- Excellent reply! I agree with you, skepticism should mark the birth of true questioning and thus true science. It would seem anyone can have knowledge, but not everyone is willing to question it.
Erin- Thank you kindly for the compliment. You speak truth as well. I remember when I used to ask priests out of curiosity, and they would get very angry and scold me I had no reason or right to question, merely accept as faith. It was very disturbing to process why God would dislike my curiosity to understand how he acts. Eventually, I grew distant, and ended up being an atheist.
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- ReneLv 78 years agoFavorite Answer
It takes just as much faith to believe in atheism. To make the absolute statement “God does not exist” is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen. Of course, no atheist would make these claims. However, that is essentially what they are claiming when they state that God absolutely does not exist. Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a theist.
Atheism cannot be proven, and God’s existence must be accepted by faith. Obviously, Christians believe strongly that God exists, and admit that God’s existence is a matter of faith. At the same time, we reject the idea that belief in God is illogical. We believe that God’s existence can be clearly seen, keenly sensed, and proven to be philosophically and scientifically necessary. “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4).
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- ?Lv 78 years ago
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- capitalgentlemanLv 78 years ago
Christian answer:
Full marks to you for at least thinking seriously about this. I think you are wrong, but, at least you are not being silly, as so many atheists here are.
I have a different perspective, as you might expect! For me, religion is man's attempt to understand, and interact with the Divine Presence that exists. As creator of the entire universe "God" (I'll used that word to make things easy) is bigger than everything, and hard for humans to understand. So, we invented religions to try, which is why they all point to the same thing, but, have different understandings. In fact, if you compare religions, you will see that they agree a lot more often than they disagree. I happen to be Christian, as that understanding works for me, and for about 1/3 the world. So, not such a bad system, even though it isn't perfect, and can't be.
Science and religion are complimentary. Everything is based on Philosophy, and other things "calve" off Philosophy - including religion, and the sciences, often one at a time. The answer "God did it" is really a cop-out by people who refuse to think and analyze. E.g., those few Bible literalists who think that the Bible is God's literal words, and therefore reject Evolution. Well, it is clear that Evolution exists! It is also clear that God exists - the evidence for both is very strong. So, instead of pitting one against the other as so many try to do, it makes more sense to figure out how it is that both exist. Maybe they work together? The Intelligent Design idea comes from that.
Logic and Reason are vital to all of this, of course. E.g., 2.3% of the world is atheist (2006 Encyclopedia Britannica). So, about 1 in 50 are atheist - logic alone would suggest they do not have the right of it.
Another issue is that with the launch of Sputnik in 1957, our education systems switch away from Classical ideas to be heavily science based. So, every child can use the Scientific Method by a remarkably early age, but, we have dramatically de-emphasized other forms of knowing (the realm of Epistemology). E.g., using the tools of Theology, it is easy to show that God exists, but, people are just not taught Theology any more, so, they don't know how to apply these tools. And, truth be told, God does not well fit in to a test tube!
So, in that Philosophy began it all - our human thinking of things, and that religion, and science both come from this, science and religion are indeed related. You have the right of that. But, to call religion science goes to far. To say that they are both fundamentally philosophical ideas comes closer to the reality.
- Jessica DeannaLv 58 years ago
Have you ever considered perhaps taking classes in a Bible School and then taking a trip the the Holy Land the Middle East the River Jordan and Bethlehem and also Iraq
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- ?Lv 78 years ago
Science is systematically working to acquire new knowledge. To use your darkness example it's attempting to turn on lights one at a time. Religion is blindly deciding you already know what's in front of you, and going so far as to blindfold yourself because you don't like what the light is revealing. The two are polar opposites.
- alwbsokLv 78 years ago
It's not science because it lacks the most crucial component: scepticism. There is tonnes of evidence that suggests that the human mind, when its set on a particular conclusion, will vastly overestimate the strength of any given piece of evidence towards that conclusion. The only reliable defence against this is to not be set on a particular conclusion, i.e. practice scepticism. Otherwise the search for truth will seem fruitful, but will ultimately fail.
- Anonymous5 years ago
religious theory isn't a demonstration of intelligence. God calls us yet in basic terms some answer the call. i've got faith it has extra to do alongside with your rearing. in case you come from a family contributors full of God's love, the place miracles are widespread, you have an much less complicated time accepting the fact. in case you arise in a Godless dwelling house, the place cynicism and disbelief are undemanding, then it could stand to reason that atheism could result without outdoors interference. those are no longer absolutes. i've got faith that each and every person who examines the information without bias is familiar with that this could nicely be a designed universe. yet they do no longer know what to do with that records. in the event that they actually persevered on the path to fact it could bring about self transforming into much less substantial and the deity assuming that place. it could additionally require ethical alignment that's uncomfortable. it particularly is the reason we can examine horoscopes and tarot enjoying cards without social backlash; they require no ethical exchange.
- 8 years ago
First off, clever idea with the question title, that was funny. Second, I'd just like to comment on how relatable and well-written this post was. You've illustrated the blissful ignorance of religion very well.
I agree, religion was like a mental prison for me that I happily kept myself locked in. I just ignored anything that conflicted or threatened my faith and tucked it away in the back of my mind. A small voice within me had questions about the universe, but I had managed to convince myself to be content with not knowing. And that's one of the main mechanisms that keep religion alive in my opinion. They're programed to never question.
- Anonymous8 years ago
I think it would be more accurate to say that core elements of religion & spirituality come out of human curiosity & the desire to know & label the world -- which is also the basis for the foundation of science.