Christians: Many of you complain something can't come from nothing...?

Science explains the big bang was not from nothing but from a singularity that was all the matter and energy in the universe compressed into a single point that then expanded rapidly!

So it was always here!

But why are Christians always claiming the big bang came from nothing? Are they that ignorant? Did they sleep through school or is it that they know the truth but think they can twist it because everyone is gullible?!

Perhaps they think God was not clever enough to use the big bang and evolution as his tools?

Claiming something cannot come from nothing argues not against the big bang but against creationists claims!

It is only Christians that claim that there was nothing and then god popped up out of nowhere and is supposed to have then produced everything from nothing!

Are you serious? This is a ridiculous question. Its completely biased. God doesn't pull stuff from his a** and why does God have to have to have a cause to exist. Why does the universe exist then? What was its cause? There didn't need to be life: the universe could have remained as nothing. Not to mention, your first claim a-1) is a fallacy: Non Sequitor. Your first observation doesn't connect with your second observation: you jumped to a conclusion based on your own opinion. (its a proof that doesn't work) Its a fact you believe to be true but not that is known to be true. Next time try and make an argument that isn't completely bent to your side and riddled with immaturity.

Preexisting conditions are a part of any study.

If there are no preexisting conditions the any thing can happen.

But if the preexisting conditions are known or defined then there are limits to what can happen.

Science still does not have a model that works for the origin of the universe or life as we know it. Every proposed model can not work given the verifiable information.

So given the facts as known we have science on one hand that is known not to work and on the other hand God that appears to have accomplished the impossible.

Now science is getting ready to spend several trillion dollars to go in search of "Dark Matter" in order to fill in the missing mass for the universe to happen.

Well Theists do not need to spend that amount of money to prove anything and we are very content to watch atheist spend all that time trying to prove something that can not happen.

I wish atheists on here would spend more time finding out what the problems are with the models and less time trying to convince us that science is infallible!

Now one can argue about the origin of the Bible. But it is very clear that scientific models are made up by man and pure speculation. In short it (science) is the very thing they claim the Bible to be (clever tails of clever men).

Right. And we accept this on faith (which is an extrapolation of known facts).

Materialists on the other hand, say that a singularity rapidly expanded to produce all matter and energy we know about today. So, where did this singularity come from? Why did it suddenly expand, and why at that particular rate? This is also based on extrapolation of know facts. But that is faith.

The big problem is that you accuse us of being religious while you think that your position is scientific. The Big Bang is just as much religious as God is the first cause. All the physical laws as we know them today would have been in-operational in the first few minutes of the Big Bang.

A) He didn't.

A-1) God is nothing. He has no form or location.

B) We could consider the universe to be like a figment of God's imagination. All things exist according to His will. It's not that he has an infinite amount of strength or power, it's more like His will is simply reality.

It's even worse than that:

-If the Universe needs a creator, why doesn't god?

If god doesn't need a creator, why does the Universe ?-

No gods needed nor useful.

Plus, they just Lie For Jeezus a lot. It goes to prove that religion = BAD morals.

UTTER IGNORANCE is at the basis of all your statements

"The traditional Christian doctrine of creation has often been stated in Aristotelian terms: God is the efficient cause of the universe. No doubt God had something definite in mind when he created (the formal cause), and no doubt he had his reasons for creating (the final cause)—but there was no material cause—no “stuff” that God worked with in the very first act of creation."

the universe also did not have a beginning, athiests state its always been there. therefore, god made it, because it cant be explained, its eternal, like himself.

Correction - nothing NATURAL can exist without an origin. The universe is the sum total of all NATURAL entities. Therefore the universe and everything that is part of it - matter, energy, time and space - must have had an origin. Therefore there must have been an entity that was the cause of its origin. That entity could not have been NATURAL. Logical default: SUPERNATURAL.

ALL Christians know that as it is written, ALL is MATTER , Even you! All you have to do is turn it on. But only God can do that. This is how something comes from nothing.