Where do we draw the line at PED's?

The line stands exactly where the MLB/Players Union agreement says it stands and the players know exactly what they can't use. There are 58 Performance Enhancing Substances, 30 Stimulants, and 7 Drugs of Abuse that are banned by the agreement. Creatine can be found in many types of foods and is not banned in MLB or any other of the major sports.

Since you can't go back and change history there are no provisions in the agreement to strip or remove numbers from the record books. Baseball fans are well equipped to make their own decisions as to what to think about players that have used drugs.

One and done ... banned for life ... disqualify all stats.

PED = performance ENHANCING drugs (illegal). The stats are falsified, the fans have been mislead as these cheaters think they are above the game.

Baseball's soft stance facilitates the problem that doesn't go away.

The sport needs to sophisticate the testing process and fine the players heavily before banning them for life.

How much does anyone want to bet the players finally agree among them self to maintain the integrity of the game if/when baseball stops dithering about solving this problem gone on too long?

Kennesaw Landis came down hard on the world series cheaters ... problem solved.

The line is already drawn about what is illegal ... enforce it heavily.

I don't respect ANY cheater sending the message to the youth how cheaters prosper.

What's the sense having rules if the penalty is so soft people don't abide by them? The cheaters know the reward exceeds the risk.

No one gets "stripped from the record books". This is a noxious myth, or perhaps just a blood roiling rallying cry, that really needs to die a permanent death. MLB does not revise the historical statistical database except in vetted instances of error or omission.

History serves one agenda -- the truth. Any other purpose is intended to distort or conceal, and we get enough of that from governments, political parties, organized religions, and nitwits on radio or television. Please; enough. Baseball is a higher calling.

Start from outlawing ANYTHING that helps the athlete excel -- probably starting with, oh, shoes and eyeglasses, or other performance enhancing devices -- and see how far from there you're willing to go

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Worth noting, all the games and statistics, team and individual, from the 1919 World Series are still on the books.

Anyone who adheres to this "strike their stats" nonsense is advocating LYING in a permanent manner, has no respect for the game, and is proudly proclaiming their own inability to think critically and their cherished ignorance. Do not listen to such people.

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The records books will never change so the only way to draw the line is to kick the users out of the game forever. End of discussion.

Suspension and forfeiture of pay.

Banned from baseball.

Any player(s) who uses PED's should be suspended or banned for life.

everything which affects the human body more than taurine