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How is this NOT the worship of Mary? I mean, SERIOUSLY!?
"Remember, O gracious
Virgin Mary, that never was
it known that anyone who
fled to thy protection, implored thy
help or sought thy intercession was
left unaided.
Inspired by this confidence,
I fly to thee,
O Virgin of Virgins and
my Mother; to thee I
come, before thee I kneel,
sinful and sorrowful;
O Mother of the Word Incarnate,
despise not my petitions, but
in thy mercy, hear and answer me.
Amen."
"My Queen, my Mother! I give myself entirely to thee, and to show my devotion to thee I consecrate to thee this day, my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being without reserve, Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me, as thy property and possession."
Richard, I was never knowingly influenced by catholicism. In fact there aren't any catholic churches in the area of the country in which I grew up. I wasn't even exposed to catholicism AT ALL until I was an adult. You seem incapable of discerning the difference between whining and calling heresy by its name. I love the truth: therefore I hate the lie. It's like a gardener hating weeds and rocks in his garden.
And others, don't give me any crap about me being a protestant. My brand of Christianity was around for several centuries before the religion that came to be known as catholicism began its destructive reign.
Jayden, you're cherry-picking my quotes. No, not EVERY SINGLE WORD in these quotes can be considered proof of mariology; but for someone who's accusing me of not using any sense, you should be able to discern that the general theme of the quotes, especially the second one, is just that.
Two Swords: not sure where you got the whole "Mary is our superior" bit. I mean, yeah she was a great woman and all, and chosen of God in a very unique way - but that doesn't make her "superior." Funny thing is, in all my years of Bible study, I've never come across an instance in which God expressed that Mary should be worshiped or considered my superior. My Bible says we are equal. My Bible says she had to get saved the same way I did. I guess you're getting your information from another source?
Genegee: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=My+Queen%2C+my+Mother!+I+give...
Worship: Chiefly and eminently, the act of paying divine honors to the Supreme Being; or the reverence and homage paid to him in religious exercises, consisting in adoration, confession, prayer, thanksgiving and the like.
Looks like Mr. Webster would have agreed with my definition of "worship."
Prayer is a chief part of religious worship.
5. The homage paid to idols or false gods by pagans; as the worship of Isis.
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- Jayden's ♥Aunt♥Lv 68 years ago
I'm not even a Catholic, cupcake, and I don't buy into the mythology, but I can flipping read and know that "implored thy help or sought thy intercession" means they're asking for her to take an interest in their lives and to add her prayers to theirs, on the principle that she would probably have more influence than their single prayer might.
It's like in feudal England, if you were a lowly peasant and you needed the king to grant your petition, you wouldn't just take it to the king yourself. He'd be unlikely to hear you above the noise of all the other lowly peasants with petitions. No, you'd try to interest your feudal lord in your cause, or his lord, or someone close to the king. That wouldn't mean that you thought that the feudal lords or the king's friend actually REPLACED the king, would it?
Really. If you folks would just use a little bit - just the teensiest bit - of sense, the world would be a better place all around.
Oh bull. Don't give me that "cherry picking" garbage - I have degrees in English literature and work as a professional writer and editor. The "general theme of the quotes" is that Catholics ask Mary for intercession, for help in getting their prayers granted by their god. They ask her to be their patron, their protector, their voice TO god and in return, they devote themselves to her service, as someone who shows them how to gain sinlessness. Nothing more. Not ONCE in any of those quotes does the person even suggest that Mary has the ability to forgive sins or grant "salvation."
Going back to the feudal metaphor, feudal lords and barons were patrons and protectors - of artists, of their own vassals, of organizations - but that didn't mean that they were the ultimate authority over those people...they were still subjects of the king.
"My brand of Christianity was around for several centuries before the religion that came to be known as catholicism began its destructive reign."
Really? And what "brand of Christianity" is that, cupcake? Unless you're an Assyrian Christian, that's baloney.
Source(s): Agnostic atheist. - GenegeeLv 78 years ago
there are prayers about Mary but l never heard of those prayers you posted. yes she is revered by the church and to my way of thinking should be. So is it wrong because the Protestant believe that Mary is just another mother when they translated the Catholic Latin Bible into English and named it the King James Bible. with some omissions.
- Anonymous8 years ago
It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
The worship of Mary has usurped the worship of Jesus Christ.
Catholics have a dead women as a mediator usurping the Holy Spirit.
No not funny at all.
- 8 years ago
Mary is considered in the Roman Catholic Hierarchy as second only to the Blessed Trinity. Roman Catholics and all people should show her the respect, devotion, and admiration for one that is second in command. One may call it worship, adoration, or whatever you want to call it. Mary is my superior and your superior. She does not answer to us. We answer to her. Mary served God in a manner greater than even I can imagine. She still serves God in a manner greater than any of us.
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- RaatzLv 78 years ago
I really don't think that fits the definition of worship (they don't think she's a god), but what the hell ever. You'll insist it does anyway.
- Anonymous8 years ago
if it is good enough of Jesus it is good enough for a little catholic like myself......
My Queen, my Mother! I give myself entirely to thee, and to show my devotion to thee I consecrate to thee this day, my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being without reserve, Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me, as thy property and possession."
how did Jesus not LIVE this prayer when he took his eyes ears mouth heart entire being from her....
I love me some Mary big time
(you use the word grace as if you know it's meaning)
('two swords' knows grace..you can see it operating)
(mary is "full of grace")
you are gnashing your teeth.
(I love when that consecration prayer catches fish like you in my net.
Wouldn't you love to know the secret of Mary)
good luck
as for you garden reference I bless you with this.
http://www.frpeterleung.com/prayers/33DaysConsecra...
"..........The soul is a garden in which useless weeds are constantly springing up. We must, therefore, by the practice in denial of self, continually hold the shovel in our hands to uproot each one and cast them from our hearts. Otherwise, your soul will become wild---an uncultivated waste covered with thorns. How can this help us to cultivate our exterior sell, to perform devotions, and leave our interior as an untamed field?
It is your sell-will that brings ruin to your soul, but through your consecration, rich soil is tilled into it. The pruning of your soul lays the foundation for the graces received in the consecration. It is through your constant efforts that a garden of purity is created to receive the flowers of virtue in the midst of your heart.........."
- Anonymous8 years ago
Oh, BOOHOOHOO!
Catholics spanked me when I was a baby and now I hate them and slander them when I can, because my butt hurts! BOO HOO!
Is it that hard to fathom that Catholics consider Jesus' mother as important and worship her in the same sense they worship Angels, Jesus and other important prophets? No?
Does it bother you much that whatever denomination you have, you and a Catholic is basically the same damn thing, except that he believes in the authority of the Pope and you don't?
Grow up.
Source(s): Atheist. - ?Lv 68 years ago
I get it, protestantism is a schism of catholicism and you don't like it. Well tough luck, you're both delusional.
- 8 years ago
it is. and this is one of many of the major problems of the Church. they worship the saints as idols and false gods.
- 8 years ago
I know right!
This is Pathetic! How far off have people gone from the true path!
I mean sure, Mary was a special person, in fact the *BEST women to walk on the face of the Earth....but she was NOT divine....she was a human!!
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Jesus himself said..
John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
but christians says, "NOOO...jesus is god".....did you guys ever read the bible??
THIS VERSE IS ENOUGH! Ponder upon this verse, and compare it with every doctrines of Christianity.
Jesus never claimed divinity! In fact He says he CAN"T DO ANYTHING! and all he wants to do is please God!
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[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. Quran 19:30
Bible proves that Jesus was a muslim who worshipped God!! The same way all prophets worshiped!
"O you who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do good that you may prosper."-(HOLY QURAN 22:77).
"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)
"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." - Old Testament (Tanakh Exodus 34:8
Mathew 26:39
"HE(Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed"
"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..."-(JOSHUA 5:14).
obviously jesus was not worshiping himself, he was worshiping God
(Do you see the trend of truth, or not?)
http://peacethought.com/images/sujud.bmp
“...your holy SERVANT Jesus, whom you anointed.” Acts 4:27
>>Clearly what Quran says about Jesus. He is a slave and anointed as Messenger!
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Hijab in the Bible and Quran
http://p.twimg.com/AwV65rBCEAAT1IO.jpg
Genesis 24:65"Who is that man walking through the fields to meet us?" she asked the servant. And he replied, "It is my master." So Rebekah covered her face with her veil.
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Bible confirming Muhammad(saw) in EXTREMELY great details (WITH BIBLE REFERENCES): http://archive.org/download/01-Introduction_594/07...
John 16:12-13 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." --->>> Muhammad(saw)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=201308...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjVCd...
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Why are so many people converting to Islam(from different cultures) despite all that 'islamophobia' that media spreads? The converts here are sharing their own stories!
WHY are even the priests, christian youth ministers, celebrity rappers and even atheists accepting Islam?? in this video they are sharing their own stories, watch the whole thing, you'll gain a lot of knowledge about Islam!!
--->> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2BpZZYOvY
(Catholic)Canadian Girl Converts to Islam -->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSpkwXTvxw
Tony Blairs sister in law converts to Islam (wearing the Hijab)---->>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIRYrgg9WlY
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Even after all that 'islamophobia' that media spreads, why do you think people are still risking getting into Islam?? (i say risk, because people are brain washed against Islam, and when someone accepts they are quite easily alienated, even with their family....SO, Why Do People Still Wanna Go Through These Trouble????
BECAUSE!! Islam is the truth! And wjen the truth is witnessed there is no turning back!
Quran 17:81 And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
*****have a look at what cause them to accept Islam even after all the islamophobia that media spreads.....and see how happy they are!!!****
Christianity says as long as you believe jesus died for your sins,you are saved.
jesus in the bible didn't even want to die, LOL!
Matthew 27:46 "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?", The Hebrew words spoken by Jesus(in bible before being crucified) are translated as:, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?)"
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Islam is the only religion from God, the same religion of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus...etc!