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Of all the titles Jesus has, where exactly is he ever called, "God the Son"? Come to think of it, where's "God the Holy Ghost" too?
@ David-"Directly" Jesus called his father the "only True God", taught us to pray for the Father's name to be "hallowed", and said the Father was his own God. Just as Abraham is called the "Father of all those having faith" Jesus is called "Eternal Father" and "Mighty God".
Titles aside, Scripture expressly says Jesus' relationship with the Father is one of a Firstborn son. Christians are his brothers. They all have the same Father. This has no correlation whatsoever to any form of Trinity.
Is there a form of Trinity that teaches God is his own first child among many other children?
Romans 8:29 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
29 and he has always known who his chosen ones would be. He had decided to let them become like his own Son, so that his Son would be the first of many children.
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- OPsaltisLv 72 years ago
Sorry the Bible doesn't state things the way you want. We'll have a talk with God about it. :) The Church does not create its doctrines from the scriptures -- how would the Church have operated in the first 300 years? The Church's scriptures are what they are because they agree with what the Church already believed.
You must put together some solid doctrines.
John 1:1-14 teaches us that the Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us -- Jesus is the Word of God. John wrote this knowing already what he records in the end of his gospel, where Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God." John 20:26). In between, Jesus is called God's son (John 3:16) -- *this is where the term "God the Son" comes from. "Word" is synonymous with "Son" when used for Jesus being the Word/Son incarnate.
So. Jesus is the Word of God,, the Son of God, and is God! All in the book of John. .The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus pulls these ancient Church teachings together, summarized as "God the Son".
The Holy Spirit is similarly called God in Acts 5:3-4), and in summary is called "God the Holy Spirit".
But the ancient church doesn't really use the terms "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" much. Rather, we speak of the three together, such as "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." One God in three persons -- the Holy Trinity.
What we believe is supported by the scriptures -- but the doctrine is not *created* from the scriptures.
Forgive me.
- UserLv 72 years ago
1) Of all the titles Jesus has, where exactly is he ever called, "God the Son"?
Earliest known usage: 2nd century, Justin Martyr ("Dialogue with Trypho") and Clement of Alexandria ("Salvation of the Rich Man").
2) Come to think of it, where's "God the Holy Ghost" too?
I can't find any information online regarding the oldest-known usage of that particular phraseology, though identifying the Holy Spirit (or "Holy Ghost", typically archaic English) *as* God dates to at least the third century (if not earlier). I find "God the Holy Spirit" in 16th century English literature - but of course that's very late.
- BJLv 72 years ago
Jesus said he was God's son, Almighty God said that Jesus was his son.
Jesus plainly stated that he was more than a good man. He said: I am God’s Son. John 10:36 Of course, anyone could claim to be the Son of God. But if Jesus’ claim were false, what would that make him? Really, not a good man, but a great fraud!
The most reliable testimony came from God himself. He twice said concerning Jesus: This is my Son. Matthew 3:17; 17:5 Just think: The Scriptures report only a few occasions when God’s own voice was heard on earth yet on two of them he affirmed Jesus as his Son!
This is by far the best proof that Jesus was who he said he was. Jesus never claimed to be God, but he repeatedly spoke of himself as God’s Son. Even his enemies acknowledged this.
Jesus never even suggested that he was God or was equal to him. So to teach such a thing dishonors Jesus.
He is God’s Son. Whereas his father is Almighty God.
- Anonymous2 years ago
1 John 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
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- ?Lv 62 years ago
I know you have probably been shown many times the Bible verses that support the Trinity. And you and your handlers are still going to dispute it. Well, I'm not going to do that. Instead, I'm going to tell you that the Church that was begun by Christ, and which has Apostolic Succession, with a tradition that goes all the way back to Peter, says God is one God in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Therefore, it is true.
Your church, on the other hand, was started some 1870 years later, with no lineage back to Christ; which relies on its own exegesis from a source many times removed from the original.
Therefore, you are wrong.
- KinLv 62 years ago
People abuse, people spread malicious lies and slandering as well including about saying he is God or holy spirit. Furthermore, God does not beget nor was He begotten.
See a short recitation in the comments.
"They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?"
"To Allah belongs the Kingdom of the Heavens and the Earth and everything in between. He creates what He wills, and Allah is Most capable of everything."
"The Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His most beloved!" Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?"
"Rather, you are human beings from among those He created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills."
"To Allah belongs the Kingdom of the Heavens & the Earth and everything in between. And to Him is the final return."
"O People of the Book! Our messenger has indeed come to you, making things clear to you after an interval between the messengers. So you do not say, "there has never come to us a deliverer of good news or a warner."
"Now there has come to you a deliverer of good news and a warner and Allah is Most capable of everything." - cont. - Quran, Sūrat, 5, l-māidah {the Table Spread}
- ?Lv 72 years ago
Indirectly in Isa 9:6:
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
It's "interesting" how JWs have no problem calling Jesus the "Son" also the "Prince of Peace", but unlike Trins, never call him "Mighty God" or "Everlasting Father". In fact, in their jw.org article on Jesus being the Prince of Peace, when they cite the passage, they use ellipses for those those two terms--very telling about how that false diabolical religion is all about misleading people.
- 2 years ago
Lot's of people call Jesus "God the Son." I've never heard anyone say "God the Holy Ghost." But there are a lot of people who believe the Holy Ghost is part of the Trinity, since it's in the Bible.